Sooooo instead I'm gonna break it up

All of them

Be yourself forever twin

Bi-Gay

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Pan-Gay

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Omni-Gay

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Ply-Gay

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Abro-Gay

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— these represent those that are both mono-mspec —

How these work?

* strong preferences

* attraction to a multigender partner

* split attraction model

* fluid attraction

* identity/community attachment

* other reasons

* doesn’t mean every gay is mspec some are exclusively mono

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(Mspec Lesbian Flags)

Whats your opinion on people who would accept an 'abrosexual lesbian' (I used to identify as that for a short period of time until realized I just don't like men idk why I did. I think it's before I realized it was just 'oh I kinda wanna have a penis sometimes.') but wouldn't accept an M-spec lesbian. I feel like these are sorta just... Different things in the same way. I swear I've seen this many many times before but I can't really name anything specific, other than when I identified as it no one came for me but I constantly saw bi lesbians get shit on, which I get why, but people are too extreme about it.

And you've probably been asked this question before, but where do you personally draw the line at all this? Cuz I AND you know people have a way different line, the reason you made this blog in the first place. Like the whole 'would you let a cis man identify as a lesbian' thing. For me it's 'if you don't feel enough like a girl to identify as one, and if you feel enough like a man to identify as one, you can't be a lesbian/nmlnm because you AREN'T a woman, and vice versa for gays/nwlnw because you AREN'T a man' and I completely ignore genitalia in this opinion I have, because gender doesn't equal sex. I'd rather people just use the terms 'homosexual biromantic/homoromantic bisexual' or whatever in a perfect world but we don't live in a perfect world of course :C yet I think ignoring the meaning of labels is kinda dumb, we should just make new ones, even though a lot of people also hate microlabels. Usually the same people who HATE contradictory labels too, they hate you either way lmao. Can't be specific, can't be broad.

UNRELATED TO THE QUESTIONS, BUT I kinda?? Wanna identify as a 'Hetbian' if that term even exists, or something like that???? I don't like the term lesboy personally (which are the main targets of this whole discourse so thats definitely playing into biases I mentioned in the first paragraph sadly). 'Hetbian' as in I am a woman who likes girls but also a man who likes girls. If I was born with a dick, I wouldn't mind staying like that forever hypothetically even if I wanted to be a girl, like me having a vagina in this timeline. A heterosexualromantic on the guy side of me and a Homosexualromantic for the girl side of me. I'm feminine/neutral presenting IRL too so that'd make it real awkward to say 'I am hetero n like girls.' Half the time I imagine a sexual Interaction as me as a guy, or at LEAST having a penis, and a woman being with me. So I feel kinda alienated from other lesbians, even when I'm dating another lesbian who's on the nonbinary spectrum. Really confused about a part of myself and have been for a while. But at the same time, Ugsghbsgb straight people ew don't wanna be lumped with them they would rip my skin off. You can't impress the face eating lions no matter what ya do

Super long sorry lol

First part of the ask (this is VERYYY long, and if the asker is reading this this was not written in anger or anything- more like confusion);

My opinion on people who are pro abro lesbians but anti mspec lesbians would be that… your anti subtliden? I also think it’s really weird how you seem to be completely fine with lesboys but draw the line on mspec lesbians? Especially since later on you express your fear of men, especially cis men, of ‘infiltrating’ the lesbian community?

Also, in your ask you only express your concerns for identities including the lesbian label, but how do you feel about mspec gays, mspec trixics (nonbinary people attracted to women), mspec torics (nonbinary people attracted to men), and other mspec mono identities? Why are you so afraid of people infiltrating lesbian spaces exclusively but no other monosexual space. It’s something I see a lot and it just feels… I don’t know, sort of hypocritical? (I know this person talks about mspec gays but when they do they still don’t express concern for cis women ‘infiltrating’ gay men’s spaces).

The reason I made this blog was to bring to attention experiences people have with identifying as contradictory labels; both positive and negative, solidarity people feel or have shown towards subtliden-identifying individuals, People who have a contradicting identity are REAL and not some sort of online-only identity and that we are REAL people with REAL identities who deserve to belong in irl spaces, educate people who know little to nothing about these certain types of identities and experiences and show many people of all ages and experiences identify with these labels, and to most of all show other people with contradictory labels that they are not alone.

I did not create this blog to give people a ‘stamp of approval’ on whether or not their identity is valid or ‘going too far’. In all honesty I consider myself to be extremely radically inclusive when it comes to queer identities and I do not believe there is any sort of line you can’t cross (unless, of course a label was created exclusively for and by someone of a specific culture, intersex individuals, neurodivergent/neuroqueer people, ect).

The ONLY thing I draw the line on are transIDs that support harmful transitioning, and most radqueer originated terms (like transrace, transabled, transintersex, ect.) but that is like a COMPLETELY different thing.

“For me it's 'if you don't feel enough like a girl to identify as one, and if you feel enough like a man to identify as one, you can't be a lesbian/ nminm because you AREN'T a woman, and vice versa for gays/nwinw because you AREN'T a man'”— even though you’ve tried to include nonbinary people by saying ‘nmlnm/nwlnw’ this is still exorsexist. You act as if you support nonbinary people identifying as lesbian or vincian but then say people ‘have to feel enough like a man/woman’ or else they aren’t a man nor woman and therefore they cannot identify as a lesbian or vincian- can you see how those two things can’t co-exist?

You also cannot really quantify ’womaness’ or ‘maleness’ ESPECIALLY not in other individuals. So you’re literally taking a shot in the dark whenever you perceive someone and determine if they are a ‘valid lesbian’ or a ‘valid vincian’— and again, HOW THE HELL DOES THIS AT ALL [PT; at all] relate to mspec mono individuals. Being mspec mono genuinely has nothing to do with gender? And; again, if you feel this strongly about the genders of mspec mono people how the fuck do you support lesboys?

“I'd rather people just use the terms 'homosexual biromantic/homoromantic bisexual' or whatever in a perfect world”, but WHY they are fundamentally the SAME as the terms lesbian and vincian/gay male/cinthean. If you told someone that you are homosexual towards women PEOPLE ARE GOING TO INFER YOU’RE LESBIAN, if you told someone that you are homosexual towards men PEOPLE ARE GOING TO INFER YOU ARE VINCIAN/CINTHIAN! Unless you told them you use a different term but in this case the person would not because they would have already felt comfortable with the lesbian/cinthean label!!

“yet I think ignoring the meaning of labels is kinda dumb,”— this would not even be considered ignoring the labels… THESE PEOPLE HAVEN’T EVEN CHANGED THE DEFINITION OF EITHER TERM IN ANY WAY.

“we should just make new ones, even though a lot of people also hate microlabels. Usually the same people who HATE contradictory labels too, they hate you either way Imao. Can't be specific, can't be broad.”— I… don’t really understand the point of bringing this up, ‘you should make new labels despite finding a label that already fits you. People are still going to hate you the same amount no matter what you do but you shouldn’t identify with a predetermined label because I don’t think that’s how the label should be used.’

Second part of the ask;

many people feel happy with that label combo for their own experiences within lesbianism and bisexuality.

it inherently hands sapphic bisexuality the right to coexist with its own history

it pisses off terfs and THOSE rad'fem's

happy final days of this year's pride month. remember that bisexuality is and will always be a part of multiple queer subcommunities, and it does not exclusively mean "liking both" (unlike what many queer exclusionists think). be you

pt: bi-gaybian. end pt.

𐙚 DEFiNiTiON ꒱・❥・ to be bi, gay/turian and lesbian in some sense . . .

pt: to be bi, gay/turian and lesbian in some sense. end pt.

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