Does detention exist in France? Or is that strictly an American thing?
Yes it does!
However you can only have it on wednesday afternoons and saturday mornings, or during free periods.
So basically, you get a paper that your legal representative has to sign prior to the detention date. Youâll need to give it to whoeverâs going to watch you during the detention.
You can also get expelled temporarily depending on how bad your behaviour was, or expelled definitively for reasons such as a too high amount of missed classes (usually in private schools).
During detention, you get a work to do. You can get detention for not doing your homework and end up completing said homework during the detention.
Or, you can get a generic type of work to do. It can go from lines to write many times (like âIâm not gonna insult the teacher againâ 100 times), or cleaning the classroom (pretty rare), or completing a certain work given by the teacher that may constitute a grade.
Detention can only range from 1 to 4 hours. Itâs fairly rare to get a 4 hours detention and definitely needs more serious reasons than what Iâve been given to see in American TV shows.
I donât know if itâs an actual thing to put the student in detention on a whim, but in France the paper written by the teacher is actually checked by the chief supervisor who will stamp it and scold you a bit before asking from you to give back the paper signed. The chief supervisor will also make sure the reason behind detention isnât ridiculous.
It is necessary that the class rep takes you to the supervisorâs office.
In my school at least, it was however more common for the teacher to expel the student from the on-going period than give them detention. It still requires a paper to sign but can substitute detention because you donât have to wait one of the detention days or a free period to be punished, those being replaced by the period youâve been expelled from.
Youâre just shoved out of the classroom, go see the chief supervisor and you hang out in a study room. The teacher may or may not give you a work to do.
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All mandatory schools (elementary, middle school and high school) in France are free and follow the exact same syllabus that is provided every year by the Ministry of Education. Itâs more or less flexible as, for example, the novels you study during the year are arbitrarily chosen by your teacher within the theme given by the Ministry. For example, if the Ministry asks for French teachers to teach autobiographies to their students, the teachers are free to choose whatever autobiographies they want.
Now, that brings us to your question: how do students choose their high schools?
Since all high schools follow the same curriculum in terms of programs, high schools are chosen for their proximity, or if they want to go to the same high school as their friends. Thatâs in general.
However, the main difference that exists between high schools in France is the teacher body. Some high schools have one that is better than the other, might involve some commuting, etc⊠Thatâs case-to-case situations. Most of the schools are good; theyâre not incredible, but theyâre good enough and I think the Ministry of Education is doing a fairly good job because they keep reforming and re-adapting the school system every single year. France is lucky to have a pretty active Ministry.
Now if you want to go from good to incredible and it is geographically possible for you, go ahead! Itâs free anyway.
On the topic of private schools, they do exist. Theyâre more sheltered, stricter. The quality of the teaching remains a fairly vague topic, and the opinions are pretty mixed.
I canât for sure tell you that the teaching is better or worse, but the quality of life there seems to be better as a lot of parents prefer to sign their children up in such establishments to avoid them learning expletives and âstreet behaviorsâ.
Iâm also reading several articles stating that private schools are more popular starting with middle school education because they seemingly provide a better environment that improves studentsâ performances. As such, 38 out 50 of the best high schools in France are private.
Some private schools in France are boarding schools, but not all of them. Almost all of them are Catholic schools, but you can find Jewish schools and Muslim schools as well, though to a lesser proportion. Itâs also important to point out that the religious teachings are optional.
However, due to the religious specificity, a lot of people donât really go there. You might not know it, but France is legally secular, and it means that freedom of worship and culture is the constitutional norm. France therefore being a multicultural country with no official religion, people donât really see the point of going to a Catholic school.
Unlike the United States, religion has very little to do with Franceâs politics and Catholics donât have much power in the government. To put it short, no one cares if the President is atheist or if he doesnât go to church on Sundays.
The relationship with religion is very uninhibited when compared to what it would be in the United States. Iâm only comparing these two countries and am not saying France is the most uninhibited country in the world when it comes to religion, but you get my point.
Though 30% of French people deem that private schools can be afforded by poorer households, a lot of them are still reluctant because they can get good enough teaching at public schools.
Iâd say it gives off an aspect of wealth, quality, and strictness?
Itâs fairly secluded as itâs well-known for its walls and closed gates. It strengthens the idea of security that a lot of parents look for, but it also makes it look like a world on its own because we have little idea of whatâs going on there, especially for private boarding schools.
However, private schools have been, for the past few years, growing more and more popular, especially for middle school and high school. It might be interesting to keep that in mind. Switches from public to private are becoming a bit more frequent, but in numbers, only a rough 20% of students are studying in private establishments.
Hi, question off the prepa talk. So if Mari is interested in fashion, would she try to take prepa classes for that? (And maybe Adrien would do physics?)
If Mari is interested in fashion, sheâs more likely to take the artistic track in high school.
For the record, French schools have 3 highschool years. At the end of your 1st highschool year (known as Seconde or 2nde), you have to pick a track that will define the rest of your highschool classes and baccalaureate depending on what you do the best (or what you want to do later).
There are 3 general tracks (Scientific, Economic and Literary) but there are also a lot of other more specific tracks that not all highschools offer but that still exist.
Itâs not easy. Not at all. To put it simply, you can take college rush times and multiply them by 5 and spread this during an entire year that stretches from September to July.
But art schools canât do anything with only 7 students!
Thatâs right! And thatâs why there are so many alternate tracks in France. Writing an extensive summary of all the diplomas that exist there would take literal days and even I donât know all of them. However, I can give you a few alternatives for art studies.
This diploma generally lasts 2 years and exists for 200 specialisations.
Generally because depending on your highschool track, it sometimes needs an upgrading for certain specialisations (like art, or hotel business) and sometimes it only takes 1 year.
The concept is that it looks almost exactly like highschool as youâre in a class and a defined schedule. The only difference is that BTS is more into concrete projects and operational teaching. Literally, it teaches you to be capable by the end of your teachings and be able to work as soon as you get your diploma.
Youâre a technician by the end of your BTS studies.
It is that aspect that generally interests art students for it focuses on manual teachings that are required for any art studies. Drawing, sculpting, taking pictures, sewing, etcâŠ
There are 7 design specialisations for BTS. But in Mariâs case, it would be logical to go for a âBTS design de mode, textile et environnement, option modeâ translated to BTS fashion, textile and environment design, fashion option.
Might be interesting to note, however, that a BTS isnât very prestigious and that if you so wish, you can continue by studying a master or a license for more international recognition. But talent and contacts can perfectly do the trick.
This is the literal translation of university. Itâs your regular university with majors, minors, amphis and all that jazz.
Needless to say that itâs a jungle though.
What you need to know about universities in France is that theyâre very very very cheap.
Most schools for higher education in France are cheap. Except for private schools like HEC or emlyon. Iâm giving business school examples, but the idea goes for a lot of other sectors like communication.
That being said, the fact that theyâre cheap and that not all of them are selective (so weâre not counting La Sorbonne, Nanterre or Dauphine even though theyâve very cheap too. Iâm talking about selectivity here) is such that all kinds of people can get into them. But not everyone is determined, or hardworking and the teachers arenât necessarily amazing. So itâs very common for people to drop out because they canât work on their own or muster enough motivation to keep going to boring classes, because most classes are optional and schedules can be changed anytime. Iâm not going to write a post about social problematics but what you need to know is that it is common for amphis at the beginning of the year to have about 1000 students and end up with 200 by the end of the year, the number only dropping with the years.
Donât overlook them though. For example, you can only study law in universities as there are no private schools for that. So some of the universities are very very good.
But as I said the ENS Paris-Saclay is very difficult.
So either you get a license 2 in university and change school for a private entity or keep going for your 4 years. There are prestigious universities so itâs actually not bad at all (cf. to the selective universities mentioned previously).
Now you have most of the informations you need to know. I tried to stay very general so that no one gets lost, and sadly didnât really tackle the Adrien topic in details.
Hey there! So aparently there's some confusion in the fandom concerning school dances - I would have thought that this is a normal thing in schools everywhere, but I've come across some people shouting that there are no school dances or parties in France. Maybe you could help to settle this once and for all?
Mod Verse :Â Hello!
Truth is- school dances are not typically a thing in France. No prom, no homecoming party.
In some really rare cases, there can be a prom night in some high schools, because itâs a thing happening in large amounts of american movies and people want to experience it, but itâs a very, very small minority.
And even that small minority has nothing to do with the school. If you want to organize prom, you organize it with your own funds, own funding activities, own rent, etc... Itâs just a bunch of students who really want to do it and handle everything on their own.
Mod Maha : In my old highschool, it was a tradition that students from the Economic track organise prom, because it was a private school and we technically came from social classes that allowed us to have the means to fund such an event. We do everything on our own, but the school requests from us to have a few teachers supervising the event. Other than that, they didnât care much about the rest and would care even less if we didnât organise a prom at all in the year.
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If Adrien was planning to go into business school, what's the path he would take in lycee? And would he go into prepa? Thanks for your help!
Hello, hello!
Now, thatâs my field. Basically, he could take any of the general tracks. However, it is recommended to take the ESÂ track (Social Economy) or the STMG track (Technological Sciences of Management).
However ESSEC and emlyon, for example, also offer bachelor courses that are more practical, more field centered. Those are called BBA (Bachelor in Business Administration).
Iâm personally taking a BBA with emlyon, and the major difference is that while the usual âGrande Ecoleâ program implies that youâve studied a hell lot of theory before they start giving you actual projects and missions to work on. The bachelor already throws you in the swimming pool.
Bachelor is close to what a business degree is in anglo-saxon countries minus the fact that you can choose your minors and your majors. Nope, they give you their own program and schedules to follow.
Now to conclude, I just want to add that most business schools in France switch their entire program to English starting the 2nd/3rd year (respectively for Grande Ecole and BBA) seeing how itâs the international language. Some others also add languages like Chinese and Spanish (Like in my case).
ALL BUSINESS SCHOOLS IN FRANCE HAVEÂ TO SEND YOU ABROAD FREQUENTLY FOR INTERNSHIPS AND EXCHANGES. In that regard, the fact that theyâre private allows them to have a wide network of partners that make it easy for the students to go abroad.
Hmm would you be talking about a guest house (maison dâhĂŽte)? Or an inn (auberge)? A boarding house maybe (pension de famille)?
I usually hear of a gĂźte (without the S because itâs singular haha) in rural contexts, but I do see on the internet that it counts like a guest house even in a city.
About the management, the Paris tourist office provides a few valuable informations. Basically what you need to know before we go further is that Paris is a very touristic city, and because of that, hotels follow very strict rules to provide quality and security to the huge number of tourists that Paris welcomes everyday.
There are a few golden rules that all hotels need to respect in Paris, as required by the Ministry of the Interior:
To declare the establishment
To inform the clients (as in perfect transparence)
Hygiene within the establishment
To respect security and public health laws
To make my establishment accessible to all public (adapted access and rooms)
To respect public tranquility
Iâm just summing up everything because French law is quite thick, so this is going to be a very light post.
Pricing
We said it in an earlier post but the cost of living in Paris is way higher than in the rest of France. One of the examples we had mentioned is that the price of a small studio in Paris would buy you a 4 rooms house in the north of France.
For the record, the high cost of living also implies higher salaries. Not because people are wealthier, but because the salary needs to follow the cost of living and vice-versa. That said, everything in Paris will therefore be more expensive.
It works for hotels too.
However, it is important to note that London remains more expensive in terms of hotels, and that New Yorkâs average is almost the double of Parisâ.
2-star hotel: Starting at 45⏠per night (around 50$)
3-star hotel: Generally between 70⏠and 100⏠per night (around 78$ and 112$)
4-star hotel: Starting at 150⏠per night (around 168$)
5-star hotel: Starting around 270⏠and goes around 1620⏠per night (around 302$ and 1816$)
It is important to note that these prices are only currency conversions and that they do not reflect in any way the purchasing power parities between the United States and France.
It is also interesting to add that prices might differ depending on the hotelâs location as well as its category. As such, a 2-star hotel might price as much as a 3-star because itâs located in a famous neighbourhood.
In terms of boarding houses, inns and guest houses, the pricing goes over a very wide range. Starting from prices as low as 48âŹ, they usually donât go over 150âŹ. Their main strength is the location. If theyâre in a good place, they can afford to rise their prices.
A boarding house near the Jardin de Luxembourg can afford to ask for 70⏠per night (which is a bunch if youâre planning to stay for a week).
The reason is that theyâre usually managed by the owners directly who pay for everything individually depending on the clients they have. They do not get company prices, and they usually handle everything on their own, including cleaning and cooking. This causes them to have to adapt their price to the minimum wage which is very controlled in France (which is around 68,32⏠a day for a monthly wage of 1480,27âŹ).
For the record, the average cost of living in Paris is of 2 256⏠per month
Management
Iâm not exactly sure what you mean by management. Do you mean supplier prices? Or hiring?
Supplier prices require a consequent order. The quantity makes the price lower than buying everything per unit. I cannot help you with the prices though, but depending on the popularity you want to give to your small bed and breakfast, the choice of going for a supplier order or a unit order remains yours.
Would it be less expensive to buy a few things that wonât rot? Or is it not enough?
For the hiring, the Labour Law is quite controlled in France. You have to declare the person you hire, and pay them above the minimum wage. Firing is very very tricky because you need to have a chaotic antecedent with your employee and have legally and officially warned them about 3 times with a signed paper. Not only that but you need to make sure they have enough to live after theyâre fired, and the firing process is long as well, you need to warn beforehand, at least a month before and blablabla. Itâs only a small part of it, but you get my point. This entire tricky law makes employers pretty doubtful when it comes to hiring because they canât get rid of the employee very easily. French people love paperwork.
But I do believe the new Labour Law in France allows the workers to sign their own deal with their employer and bend certain aspects of the law if both parties are okay with that.
You also need to know that hiring a minor person is tricky too. Iâm going to try and be very short about it:
The contract needs to be a fixed-term contract, in other words a temporary job and has to be paid as much as any other adult.
A minor under 16 can only be hired during holidays that are at least 14-days long.
Minors cannot work more than 8 hours a day and without a 30 minutes break at least after 4:30 hours.
They get 2 days where they cannot work, and have to not be working for at least 12 hours (for minors between 16 and 18 years old) and 14 hours (for minors under 16).
Minors cannot work by night (they canât go over 8pm, and can over up to 10pm if theyâre over 16)
A medical examination and the authorisation of the legal representative of the minor prior to work
The labour inspectionâs authorisation is required 15 days prior to the start of work if the minor is between 14 and 16 years old.
For the anecdote, if you buy a guest house, it usually takes up to 3 years to start making it profitable in regards to the possible building work, the bills, the purchase itself, etcâŠ
In terms of labels, all owners of guest houses and inns need to refer the the aforementioned Tourist Office (of your city, or region) to classify their establishment and gets stars. They need labels, and the stars depend on:
The equipment
The services
Sustainable development
These criteria change every 5 years depending on the evolution of the norms and the stakes of the government.
In terms of required services for a good hotel, the French government put up a nice document online Itâs 30 pages of tables, isnât that great
Donât feel scared by the screenshot Iâm gonna add, Iâm gonna explain what you need to know and focus mainly on the management.
From left to right, you have âEconomic hotelsâ âMid-range hotelsâ and âhigh end hotelsâ, the last column being about very very high end hotels.
Iâm going to focus on 1-star and 2-stars but feel free to send another ask if you want more information from this table.
Economic hotels
More known as 1-star hotels. The first line of the table (common to all types of hotels) just repeats the golden rules I gave you at the beginning of this post. Now the second line is about positioning.
This type of hotels is required to provide at least 8 hours a day at least of welcome. It has to provide private or common sanitaries and a hall of at least 20 square metres.
2-star hotels
The main difference is that the minimum welcome hours are now of 10 hours.
The minimum hall superficies have grown by 10 square metres and the hotel has to be speaking at least one european language aside from French.
Amenity options
Since most hotel control depends on the stars of your establishment, Iâm going to give you the strict minimum for a very very basic hotel and from there, you can add whatever you want.
What matters isnât what you end up putting, but the minimum asked.
Opaque hiding from the outside (either through walls or fences, the goal is to give discretion to the clients)
Soundproofing
Electric equipment and sanitaries
Heating (depending on the climate)
Telephone in all the rooms and a switchboard to contact the reception
50% of the rooms have a TV or at least one common room has one.
Good state and cleanliness of all areas frequented by the clients
Good state and cleanliness of all the equipment used by the clients
Furniture for the required equipments (table for the telephone for example)
That is for the most basic requirements. That earns you a 1-star hotel according to the most recent regulations of 2009. Room-service is, in case you wonder, not a requirement for economic hotels. It is, however, mandatory for 5-star hotels.
THIS IS FOR WHAT I MANAGED TO FIND ABOUT HOTELS. The topic is very wide but this post tried to be as exhaustive as possible without being too off-topic.
One last advice is that laws always try to be the most idealistic possible, and all of this probably might make France look like a hotel paradise. But France is flawed like any other country and there are still hotels that do not respect all these laws. The government cannot check all the hotels, and hotel keepers donât all have the patience to read all these papers or have any ambition to make their hotel big.
So realistically, there will always be bad hotels.
However, I wish you good luck for your AU, and remain at your entire disposal for any further questions!