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Yep, of course! I'll never leave that. Yeah, Joel [Little] and John Ryan and them, they're just kind of taking, like, a good overview and exec producing it, so it's gonna be fun. I feel like previously, I've just went out and written songs and never really thought about how they would sound and kind of... never really created any cohesion. So I think this time I wanted to be a bit more mature about it and actually think about it.

I found it hard at the start because everyone was trying to be creative. Every time you looked online, someone was baking, someone was painting, someone was doing, like- It was very like, 'Oh, we have loads of time now, we must create!' and I was like, 'Jesus!', so I just kind of did nothing for about 6 months, to be honest. Cause I'd just written an album and had just released it, so I was like, 'I'm done with the writing thing for a while.' But then I found it really good. What I've noticed off the back of it and having been in the studio writing my own stuff is that conceptually, it's been really good. You have more time with your own thoughts. You have more time to actually think, like, 'How to I story-tell here?' Cause the best part and the easiest part about songwriting is if you walk into a room and you know exactly what you want to say before you've even walked into the room, you take hours off it. Like, Anne Marie straight away was like, 'I'll be honest, I'm alright with me', and that sums up her whole album, because her album's called Therapy, so she's been doing therapy. And if you're able to say in the opening line of a song, 'I'll be honest, I'm alright with me', you know you've done alright. So conceptually, it's a good place to be in!

Niall: We haven’t really decided if we’re putting out [the second song they wrote]. The conversations are kind of happening in interviews, we’ve found these days. People go, “Are you putting them out?” and we kind of look at each other and go, “Are we?” [Laughs] We’ll see. But yeah, we really like it. It’s a completely different vibe.

It's been a go-to on this. I've been playing a lot of shaker to keep tempo.

The song that has resonated with me throughout this is a song called Dear Patience, which is from my new album. If there's one thing I learned about myself this year, it's that I'm a lot more patient than I thought I was. You know me, I'm quite the Duracell Bunny, and I've learned to be patient this year. And I think that could be said for quite a lot of people!

I'd definitely make music with Niall Horan, yeah. Definitely, if the time came... I mean, I guess it technically did. We did a little song during lockdown where he said he had an idea and it needed a chorus, and so I wrote a chorus and sent it back to him on Whatsapp and [laughs]. And....yeah, so that exists! But who knows. It may never see the light of day, do you know what I mean?