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How ‘close of a friend’ is the doctor and AfO to the point they know every secret they have?

We got to this one hand on his head remaining in Chapter 237. If this hand is All for one’s gift like the extra hand.

Which would mean, All for one still has control over Shigaraki in some way or another. A symbol if you will.

Since he is in the path of destruction now, which is All for one’s plan all along when raising him. His plan is going smoothly as it is.

So it seems, Ujiko is not to be trusted at all.  He is not that honest as what he appears to be and that’s what Chapter 238 is showing us.

Ujiko or Dr. Tsubasa likes to make things up and lies and make up excuses just to not warp them away from the battlefield.

He lied brazenly and straightforward about that not warping them due to John-chan’s ‘tonsillitis’ and would get John-chan killed but it is not the case. Due to Mr. Compress pointing out that he has been using John-chan a lot and they didn’t have this problem before.

We do know that his warping can’t be trace back. The Doctor worried that the Liberation Army would track them? Oh no. That’s another lie.

Ujiko wanted to see the end result on putting Shiggy in the this stress and overly exerted situation. To see if he would really expect a good result out of it.

Which would mean, he is a liar and not to be trusted just like All for one. He only does what is good for him and or All for one. 

Now the question is, if the toe joint he pointed out is a lie or a made up story as well. Inko didn’t actually called out Tsubasa’s bullshit and how that it can be correlated to quirks and such. She just went through it and believed on it.

Because of coarse, Dr. Tsubasa is a professional and professionals know what they are doing right? Plus, she didn’t actually went to get a second opinion on regards to little Izuku’s predicament.

But when Mr. Compress called out his bullshit on Chapter 238, he told his true intentions and that was driving Shiggy in the corner and see what his little experiment will result into.

It’s more like this ‘You got me there, I’ll tell you why’ kind of deal to Mr. Compress.

If this is the case.

Why did he have to lie, especially on Izuku’s case?

Since this is the Doctor who happened to make the noumos and experiment with people and has no ethical stand...

Would it be that AfO is also involve in this little lie? That he has his sights on Izuku as well? If this is a Dad for One case?

This is for now a note for the theory.

Last panel was Gigantomachia sees Shiggy destroy a wide range area and probably that will earn his respect in the next chapter or so.

What to say indeed.

Compared to Izuku’s access to multiple quirks in OfA. Which is tamable.

This one made me think of, if he can do that level of destruction on the whole city in one chapter, why not just apply that in the next few chapters and just let him be in U.A and destroy it by that instant? No more problems right? At least for Shiggy that is.

Not that I’m complaining don’t get me wrong. This chapter is just okay for me and we see the power development and such.

I’m just talking in a more, practical sense.

Which just means that since Izuku is way back behind when it comes to power levels, since we get to see how black whip is similar to what Destro Jr.’s skin covered with we know that Shiggy just brushed it off.

At least he has to work for it now.

Since as far as I am aware.

Shiggy got the fire power since, they got the high end in their arsenal, Gigantomachia, His quirk that looks and acts more of a plague since even the dusts destroys it touches, and the quirk erasing bullets.

Just wanted to say, It’s really creepy how All For one’s eyes are just shown there, plus I see a hand like cover on that thug left over there.

So it seems that All for one is giving Tomura some toys as a reward in terms of him congratulating him for killing which is conditioning him that killing is okay and you have to continue doing so to get more rewards. As we can see the toys on Tomura’s table. 

It’s also the case of Tomura wanted to do whatever he wanted, he feels so free. Since we do know now that his dad is pretty much an abusive parent that no matter what Tenko does, he would punish.

The way All for one addressed Tomura like the hand gestures is pretty much how you addressed a kid much more younger. Which is a strange behavior even turning his back just to be surprise on his ‘new look’ 

It’s also is strange that All for one gave Tenko the same almost identical design to Izuku’s shoes like huge in some way.

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It is also kinda ironic

On one hand:

All for one lecturing Tomura in the way of, you should not have restrains. 

On the other hand, All for one has a way to restrain him to keep him in check. More like controlling and manipulating. 

It’s also is ironic because, ‘People who wanted the world to run smoothly’ is pretty much him back in the day where there was chaos.

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In regards of last names. We get to see that ‘Shigaraki’ is ‘his’ last name which I will call that he is lying since we do know that he is a liar and he lied before.

As we can see on Chapter 116.

He took Tenko around at the age of 5, but we do know that he was injured around 5 to 6 years ago prior from the current events of BNHA. Which would mean that Tenko is around 15 years old when AfO was injured.

That was one of his lies. (We do know that he is a petty man that wanted to use Nana Shimura’s on relative to cause chaos and hurt All Might because that’s how petty he is)

Anyways, If Shigaraki was his last name, it would make sense in terms of puns, due to the fact  Shigaraki has the literal translation of ‘Death Grip Tree’

Which in turn, Death Grip means, never letting go. The tree however is suspicious because, Trees are green and we do know where the green color is reference from *wink wink*

Like I say, in terms of puns, it would make sense due to the fact that:

All for one can’t let go of the past.

All for one clings to his anger and grudge at all might.

His possessive nature, a.k.a. when he mentioned of all might stole someone or something from him.

Again, it doesn’t mean that this debunks the DfO theory because we do know by fact that in the BNHA Universe. 

It is uncommon to use a wife’s last name but it doesn’t mean it’s not impossible. As we can see on Jirou’s parents. That her last name is from her mother’s side of the family.

He could have dropped his last name and used ‘Midoriya’ instead which would mean:

A new identity, new life, leaving the past behind. (We kinda theorized that green is new. and a new life of retirement for All for one and such)

A false lead if the police is investigating or someone is aware of his real name since last names are being used to how someone addressed one self.

Come to think of it, It could also be that Shigaraki is his literal ‘last’ name but not a ‘family’ name. If you know what I mean. Like, a wanted man can have a lot of names throughout the years, how much more for a 200 year old cyptid that has been lurking around the shadows with a lot of names?

On how to make an broken orphaned kid trust you. They have to at least give him a name as if they are part of your family. It’s more like that in All for one and Tenko’s case. 

Then again, it’s more like, it would be interesting if his last is Shigaraki if it’s a Dad for one theory case because.

Look at Izuku’s name: 

His first name “出久”. The kanji “出” contains meanings like “Exit” and “Come Out”. Then “久” means “Long Time”. 

Part of Izuku’s name is 久 (Hisashi) which would mean and is possible that Hisashi’s first name is used on making Izuku’s name.

Think of it this way, First names are more personal than the Last name.

Last names are addressed more formality. While First names are, ‘You’ as it’s who you are and it’s much more connected in the much more personal level if anything.

If anything though, him giving Tomura, his last name pretty much is saying in a literal sense that his word 'he will be the next 'me’’ not as a successor but as an identity. Dumping his work load on him and disappear in the background.

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Parallels on Eri and Tenko

So we get to see the Bystander effect in regards to the society they have now. Which also reflects to our current society today.

Which is really sad, they could have at least made a call about a wondering lost child around and could have helped him.

We can also get to see how this also parallel to Eri as well on Chapter 129

When we got to see Mirio’s reaction to just leave her be at first. We need to not suspect anything bad happened to the little girl. 

But to Eri’s case, Izuku happened to bump to her but the thing is that, he was able to helped her and even hold her tightly and secure and do whatever it took to keep her safe even for that short amount of time.

But this time though, its more of another parallel what All for one did to Tenko.

He reached out and helped Tenko.

Izuku reached out for Eri and comfort here.

Parallels are doing its wonders. :’)

Long before, we get to see Horikoshi’s interview that Hisashi will be ‘revealed’ soon.

https://comicbook.com/anime/2018/07/22/my-hero-academia-creator-deku-midoriya-father-tease-manga/

Yet in the BNHA story as of late. The only mysterious person who hasn’t revealed his face is this bastard.

Look at him hiding behind that speech bubble. 

So in the latest chapter of BNHA: Vigilante, we get to see more info in regards to ‘Six’

Unknown blood type, Unknown DNA, with a combination of a lot of chemical substances in his system. Plus we get to see that the blood is some kind of evaporating mist surrounding it.

So they are a possibility created by the lab and not really an existing person from the start, since we got to see that there were no records. (Test tube babies maybe?)

Unlike Noumos who happened to have a lot of mixed of DNA of other people to their system. As we can see on Chapter 47.

Due to the possibility that multiple quirks needed the brain capacity to function or to work plus it doesn’t have any cognitive comprehension.

It could be possible that the ‘number series’ of experiments (I will call them that because they seemed to be name after numbers.) are the exact opposites of a Noumo when it comes to the style of the experiment.

As Noumo are more like puppets, Number series are artificial humans(?) but more of a husk of a human, or just empty that they have to copy another’s identity to be alive. 

Theoretically speaking, there’s a possibility that the number series are more programmed to copy the exact person that the quirks they may or could have as we can see on Chapter 56. 

As Six happen to be watching a replay of O’clock’s action/recorded piece, having the thing of becoming the ‘person’ they have their sights on.

To the point that they have to even copy the same scars just to be them.

It can be interesting if they are more like ‘copycats of the original’ but more in the dangerous level of, they are like the 100% exact copy in terms of movement, or would be possible that can copy personalities? 

The question is, if ‘Nine’ is part of this number series experiment.

If the theory is correct, or is possible. Could it be possible that ‘Nine’ must have copied someone. Who?

What happened to the number series experiments? Was Nine the last one of the batch? Were they discontinued because of the level of intelligence and consciousness that they have?

This is Tomura’s perspective for All for one in one of the spoilers on 237. This line is pretty much on how All for one treats Tomura as if he was a newborn baby. 

We didn’t saw this one because we were looking at a different source but this is a good discovery. a good discovery indeed. (Thank you @dekuchan25 for pointing this out, it really helps a lot ;v;)

First of all, in this timeframe, Izuku is a baby or around (1) year old or months old. Since we know that in this timeline, Tenko is (5) years old.

Doing basic math, Since, canon wise, Tomura (20) and Izuku (16).

Could it be... That All for one IS preparing himself to fatherhood??????