I HAD A LATE TERM ABORTION. IT IS NOTHING LIKE DESCRIBED BY TRUMP. PLEASE DON'T BASE YOUR VOTE ON THE FEAR MONGERING HE IS DOING. PLEASE READ MY EXPERIENCE: I had to have a late term abortion. It...
This devoted Mormon mom who would rather die than terminate a pregnancy had to make a hard decision. From her facebook post in 2016:
âI had to have a late term abortion. It was the worst moment in my life. What made it even worse was the State of Utah had made it illegal.Â
âI had one dead twin. The other had severe Spina Bifida. It was so bad that his brain had developed outside his head, and his spine was open clear to the lumbar level. There was ZERO hope, and no medical miracle that could save him. Our dreams were shatteredâŚ
âI lay on the hospital floor, bawling hysterically, for twelve hours, waiting for an ethics committee of the health care corporation to decide my case justified what had to be done. My health was in danger due to the dead fetus. My husband and I consulted our LDS Bishop, who assured me I needed to do what I had to do, that it was even within LDS guidelines to do so. He reminded me I had six kids (a blended family) at home who needed their mother to liveâŚ
âNo woman should have to have the state have a say in the most painful decision she will ever make. Nobody is tearing babies apart in late term. They are humanely done, only in situations where there is a non-viable or severely defective fetus and/or the mother's health is at risk.Â
âSince I posted this, many have said "That wasn't an abortion." Yes, it was. In simple terms and in this case, "Abortion" means "to remove a fetus from the uterus." "Abortion" is not a specific procedural method. Even a miscarriage is called a "Spontaneous Abortion."Â
âOthers have said, "Your situation wasn't typical." Yes, it was very typical. Women don't have abortions in late term for convenience.â
Read on to see not-so-supportive âpro-lifeâ comments she received.
(She did, of course, receive a lot of support, more positive than negative. But I find something really wrong with our culture that she would receive any negative comments at all.)
Not Abortion
Most of the negative comments were just lecturing her (sometimes with sympathy) about how it wasnât really an abortion. Even if they want to change the meaning of the word, the fact was that the state of Utah and the LDS church considered it an abortion, and she had to endure getting permission from both.
âI am so sorry for you having to endure this tragic event. Please reexamine your research on this. I believe that there is an âapples and orangesâ comparison going on here. You are the exception.â
âThis was not an abortion, sorry. It was a decision to have an early C section for medical reasons. Your babies were not viable and they were removed and not murdered. They died peaceful natural deaths. How about the dioxin injection to murder the baby before itâs removed! How about the woman who decides too late she isnât ready to be a mother? Of course the decision should be up to the single woman, the couple and their MD - UP TO A CERTAIN POINT! Midway through the 2nd trimester we are talking about a viable human being and I donât give a crap what the evil bitch Hillary says â this is a human who should have rights! In fact, this baby has rights if the mother is murdered. But not if the mother is the murderer. Sick hypocritical world we live in. :(â
Convenience
Others continue to insist that this story is the exception, and most late term abortions happen because of⌠capriciousness? I have no idea.Â
âPeople need to stop saying the government shouldnât be involved unless they are okay with any abortions being done for ANY reason.â
âIâm sorry for your loss. However, women who say âbut itâs my body,â itâs really not. Itâs the babyâs body. Prayers for you.â
âCould you explain why you think that your experience compares to what Donald Trump was speaking of? Because it doesnât. What a shame you felt the need to share your tragic experience for 15 minutes of fame. After your initial post, not much of what you said after makes any sense and does NOT apply.â
Judgement
And some people were just cruel.Â
âAnyone who believes this is an absolute idiot. How many hospitals let you lay on the floor for 12 hours. This is a scare tactic. Any women can get free medical treatment for paps, mammograms and any OBGYN needs. Obamacare and Medicaid see to that. Women who want to abort their baby will use any excuse necessary women who want to keep their any will do so at any cost.â
âGive me a break. I know the difference. I medically necessary C section is NOT an abortion as we use the term currently. Call it an abortion if you want to fit in and share your story for 15 minutes of fame if thatâs what turns your crank.â
âWell if it was such a shitty decision to make then why the fuck did you make it. That doesnât make any sense. If itâs so bad and it gives you PTSD then donât do it.â
âItâs murder.â
âYouâve really been drinking the kool-ade, havenât you honey.â
âSorry for your loss, but it is God who will judge you not a human.â
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US President Donald Trump rose early on his first morning back at the White House after being hospitalized to treat his coronavirus infection, contending Joe Biden wants to execute unborn children. On Monday evening, he flew back to the executive mansion and quickly ascended the Truman Balcony...
US President Donald Trump rose early on his first morning back at the White House after being hospitalized to treat his coronavirus infection, contending Joe Biden wants to execute unborn children.
Kate, already mom to one daughter, terminated her second pregnancy at 36 weeks. She named the daughter she lost Rose. (Photo: Rosanna U/Getty Images)
âWhen I was pregnant with my first daughter, she would kick responsively, and then she would take naps. It seemed logical. This baby never stopped moving, but she never did anything responsive, either. The movements were so randomâŚ
âBecause of that worry, at 35 weeks, my midwife sent me for a âpeace of mindâ ultrasound...
âI know [the nurse] said the words âDandy-Walker,â which I know now is a brain syndrome that has varying degrees of severity. I remember asking, âAre babies with this ever normal?â and she said that sometimes they were. She told me they couldnât know the severity of the situation until after I had an MRI. Thatâs how they would determine if my baby would be OK or if she would be âincompatible with life.â Those are the words they used. Incompatible with lifeâŚ
âWaiting was awful. I imagined every possibility: What would it be like to have the miracle baby who was OK and exceeded all expectations? What if she died at birth? What if she lived only a couple of years? What does it mean to get a DNR (a do-not-resuscitate order), for an infant? Hospitals are legally protected from trying to save a baby and not legally protected from letting a baby dieâŚ
âThe neurologist, who told us that our baby had Dandy-Walker malformation, [said it was] the most severe presentation of the syndrome. It basically meant there were holes in her brain. She also had agenesis of the corpus callosum, which meant the bridge between the two hemispheres of her brain didnât grow. So we had two malformations, each of which had a wide range of outcomes, but, combined, had a horrible prognosis. The doctor said, âWe expect your baby to have moderate to severe mental retardation; sheâs going to have moderate to severe physical disability; she is probably never going to walk or talk; she will possibly never be able to lift her head; she is going to have seizures all of the time.â At first, I was thinking, âThis doesnât make sense, sheâs always moving,â and then he mentioned seizures, and I understoodâŚ
âIn that moment, I had to shift my thinking. I was hoping for special ed, and had been focusing on questions like: How much should you save to know your special-needs daughter will be OK after you die? I was thinking about long-term care and mild to moderate disability. Instead, I had to think about a baby who was probably not going to live very long, and the longer she lived, the more pain she would be in. That realization â that I was more scared of her living than of her dying â is what made the choice for meâŚ
âThe doctor asked if we had any questions, and I said, âWhat does a baby like this do? Does she just sleep all day?â The doctor looked so uncomfortable. He said, âBabies like this one are not generally comfortable enough to sleep.âÂ
â[at the abortion] After the injection, he asked how I was feeling, and I just said,  âI feel so sad. Iâm going to miss herâŚ
âThen on the fourth day, they induced my labor. I got Pitocin, and it was actually a very natural birth. It was quite healing for me. I couldnât do anything for this baby â I couldnât fix her brain or make her well, but I could deliver her from my body. I chose to view her, so they cleaned her up and brought her in and she looked a lot like my older daughter. She was beautiful and she was whole. I got her footprints and had her cremated and they sent us her ashes in the mail a few days later. We wanted to name her after a flower, so we called her Rose.â
A few things strike me about all these late-term abortion stories. When the potential parents learned their child would have a disability, they werenât angry. They may have been sad, but they started planning and researching how to give a disabled child a good life. The only people who chose late-term abortions are those who believe there is no good life possible: that the babyâs suffering will only increase more and more until an early death.Â
But, again, hereâs a sampling of the comments this story received⌠they were vastly negative.Â
âPro-Life Commentsâ
Those medical problems arenât that bad.
âApparently medical necessity doesn't matter anymore. It's just a matter of if it feels right to abort or not. This is an appalling story. That baby had unique, unrepeatable DNA and this was her one chance at life. Now she's been erased.â
âVery sad story for many reasons! Of course, I can't help but wonder what the child's life might have been like had mom had the will to allow him/her to be born. Perhaps the child would have overcome many of the disabilities and had a reasonable life, or perhaps the medical problems would have been so severe, the child would have died. But, did mom had the right to decide whether the child lives or dies? I still don't think so.â
âThis article has not swayed my opinion on late term abortions in any way. Everything about the story from the way the doctors informed the patient to the concerns of the parent were fairly biased and selfish. Even with the severe malformation, the child could have lived a very fulfilling life. My brother has lived a full life (he's now in his 40's) with a similar condition. Sure, he's never going to be a neurosurgeon or complete college, but he has held down a job for the last 25 year, owns a home and even got married to someone with a similar condition. He does require some home care, which the family provides, but it was far from a burden.â
The parents wanted a âperfectâ baby
âShe murdered a baby because it wasn't perfect? She murdered Rose. MURDERER ! ! !â
âSorry but I don't agree with this mother's decision. She got pregnant and when she found out that it was not perfect, she had this poor little baby euthanized. that was so selfish of her. If this baby was not viable, her little heart would have stopped on its own⌠Many children have medical problems & live well with support of family who LOVE then UNCONDITIONALLY. I'm sure some one with a huge heart would have loved to adopt and love Baby Rose. These parents stole that opportunity of that life option away. And who said she died peacefully. I'm sure it was a quiet and very painful death. Shame on these parents. They never gave Rose the chance at life, all because she wasn't perfect.âÂ
âThis is heartless and she is trying to make it sound like she's not selfish. She is sending her [older] daughter the message that if your aren't perfect, healthy, you don't deserve to live. This is sort of sick. Probably a shallow pretentious woman and husband who can't be bothered with âless than.ââ
You should count on a miracle/God/Nature instead:
âI was told at 6 months [pregnant] that my daughter would be very sick and disabled. That she would never walk, and most likely would die after 3 weeks and if she lived, she would never be able to take care of herselfâŚ. Sometimes you have to trust yourself that you can handle it, and trust GOD that is will all work out. I did not trust these doctors and I am so HAPPY I didnât, or I wouldnât have my beautiful daughter.â [Iâm happy for you too! But miracles donât happen every time.]
âDon't even TRY to normalize this. Being a nurse in my younger years, I saw babies born that would not have a chance These mothers knew that, and carried to term, delivered, and held their precious babies until they passed. Don't even try to act like this 8 month termination is anything but murdering the poor baby. Let NATURE take its course. Barbarians.â [Author was certain she wouldnât be allowed to hold her dying baby; that the hospital would work hard to extend her painful life.]
Murder
âYou murdered your baby just in time to celebrate your birthday... selfish.â
âJust pretty much another Mother destroying a new life! The value of life does not stop and start on an liberal ideological timeline!â
âWhat in the name of everything good and holy is wrong with these sick SOB's? They actually believe they can chop up an infant child as "their" body. These people are monsters of the worst kind in human history, Hitler, Stalin, Pal Pat had nothing on these despicable women and those that butcher children. Get an education, look at what you are doing before you comment or do anything. How does anyone make it OK to butcher a baby with no pain killer, NOTHING!â [reminder that in this case, the fetus was given a single shot and died peacefully, then was delivered whole vaginally.]
We got pregnant quickly, and were thrilled, but at 9.5 weeks I started bleeding and an ultrasound showed that the baby no longer had a heartbeat. We grieved, healed, and tried again, only for me to miscarry again, this time at 5 weeks. But finally, a few months later, just a month before our first baby would have been due, we got pregnant with what seemed to be our ârainbow baby.â I was due September 6th, just 4 days after my own birthday, and we were nervous, but happy.
Want to know what leads to a late term abortion? Read on:
âAt 20 weeks, during the standard anatomy scan, we were told that the baby (who we found out shortly after was a girl) had a moderate hydrocephalus. The ventricles of the brain are always supposed to contain fluid, but they should never be larger than 10mm at the most. Herâs, at 20 weeks, were both around 20mm. We were devastated, but still hopeful. At that point, there would be brain damage, because the fluid was taking up space that her brain needed to develop, but it could be fairly minor. And even the worst outcome with 20mm ventricles would still allow her a good quality of life...
âBut at 28 weeks, they had increased fairly significantly, to something like 26-28mm on one side and 32-34mm on the other. That was a lot of growthâŚWe began making plans to deliver via c-section at 34 weeks, and started researching what we would need to do to get her the therapies sheâd need, since she was definitely going to [have] special needs...
â[At 31 weeks] the ventricles had enlarged significantly, to the point that the larger was up into the 40+ range. Worse, her head had not grown, and the increased fluid had further compressed her brain, so that the damage was now catastrophic...
âThis news left us with three options. One, we could deliver at 34 weeks as planned, have the shunt inserted, and simply see what happened. More than likely she would survive, because her brain stem was still unaffected (meaning she would still breathe and her heart would beat, etc). When the brain is that severely compressed, there is some risk that when the pressure is relieved by the shunt, the brain will spring back too quickly and tear the blood vessels supporting it. The odds of that are only around 10% however, so she would probably live. But she would have no quality of life, no higher brain function, no ability to live in any sense of the word that truly matters...
â[Or] We could go Colorado or New Mexico, and we could terminate the pregnancy⌠it would be quick, for her, just an injection to stop her heart⌠Of the three choices, it was the one that would hardest on us, at least emotionally⌠it was the [choice] that would be best for her. It would give her the grace of a quick death, instead of a protracted, painful one, or a life that offered her nothing at all.
âI always had this thought that there were women out there getting late term abortions all the time, for no good reason. Turns out, as I mentioned, you have to provide (fairly extensive) proof that itâs medically warranted. Itâs also far more expensive than we expected...
âIt makes me really, really angry that it was so hard. This situation was incredibly difficult already, and added to that was a ton of financial worries, travel, and stress, so that we could go to an office where every single employee is risking their life every day just by doing their job and helping people like us who are facing an impossible choice. Weâre not just some flighty kids that made a baby and then decided that maybe we donât want to deal with it after all. We didnât make this decision because we were unwilling to raise a child with special needs and wanted to just scrap this attempt and try again. This was a baby that was badly wanted, but whose medical situation was so dire that the only kindness we could offer her was to let her go as quickly and painlessly as possible.â
The original post with pictures is available here:Â https://roadtocrunchymama.wordpress.com/2014/10/17/katlyn-river-loved-and-grieved-a-story-of-late-term-abortion/
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