#king jon

A blue flower grew from a chink in a wall of ice, and filled the air with sweetness....mother of dragons, bride of fire...

I’m not sure if this topic has already been talked to death (since it’s a show related question and I wasn’t in the fandom back then), but what was the point of Jon being King in the North if not for Jonsa?

I was thinking about writing a show-canon fic without the Ramsay/Sansa plotline—ended up giving up on it—but I can’t stop thinking about the show.

Jon being King mainly creates conflict/tension between him and Sansa. Okay, maybe only is a bit of a stretch, but the conflict between him and Dany could have been resolved so easily there is almost no point to it, imo. It would be sooooooo boring, and the writers knew that. That is why the show only brings up the possibility of marriage between them after he’s already bent the knee (not like almost every other alliance made in this fucking show wasn't forged trough marriage, like, at least bring it up!)

What I'm trying to say is that, imo, every single struggle in the Jon/Dany relationship feels forced and unnatural, specifically because Jon is King, because them being together would have been the easiest thing in the world if they truly wanted an alliance.

If the show really wanted Jon/Dany, they would’ve made Sansa Queen in the North, leaving Jon as just the bastard brother of the Queen, too insignificant for Dany to consider as a political match, giving them the so needed human heart in conflict with itself.

Which makes me think that this Jon/dany realatioship was written atop jonsa. Like, we could see the foundations they had laid for them but someone made the decision that Jon/Dany falling in love in two seasons and him killing her in the end would be a better story (I'm ignoring the possibility of poljon because I don't think that would ever be a tactic that Jon would use).

A bit rambly, I know. I'm sorry.

I don't think that's necessarily true.

The main conflict between the North and Dany (and the Iron Throne) was always going to center around Northern Independence. Robb's turn as king in the North exists primarily to underscore how ingrained the desire for independence from the Iron Throne is in the North (and even the Riverlands), and it makes sense for the Northern lords to crown an available Stark the moment they have the capacity to do it again.

This conflict is ultimately why Jon in the show ends up killing Dany. He knows that Sansa will never submit to Dany, especially not after what she did in King's Landing. And Dany will never stop demanding submission from everyone.

The showrunners were always going to crown their preferred rugged hero to carry that conflict during the actual run of the show, and then use the crowning at the very end to be the culmination of Sansa's arc. She credibly and consistently carries the cause of independence. That's her role, while Jon's circles around (his abject failures to protect the people from) the ice and fire threats.

Because otherwise - if they had crowned pro-independence Sansa in Season Six - the show would have been about a political conflict between two women (three if you count Cersei drinking wine in windows) with the male main characters all beholden as subjects and advisers to their will and decisions. The Long Night would have been subject to the political considerations of both women.

It was never ever going to happen. Look at HOTD. The story is actually centered around two women in conflict, and still they can't bring themselves to actually tell it.

“You were made from scars to live a life you’d rise above.”

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While she hunted for something to wear that wouldn't make her feel suffocated, Jon had already dressed. Everything was too tight around her chest, and she was growing frantic as Jon approached, tying his hair back. Her heart fell at the sight of his youthful face turning grave and harsh as he finished. She wished he would wear it down, a frivolous wish, but she made it just the same as he eyed her scowl.

"What's wrong?" He asked, gaze skipping from her to the mess of gowns and coats she'd tossed on the floor.

She wanted to stomp her foot, but refrained and huffed instead.

"None of it fits anymore, and it's entirely your fault," she said, her voice more like a childish whine as Jon's face lit with amusement.

"Forgive me if I'm wrong, I've been known to be, but I believe you were also involved, Dany."

"George, do you have any interesting family members? I've bet you've got lots of famous thieves." You know, the include him. And George is like.

"Well, there is this one lady, Rebekah Cooper. She was a guradswoman that caught some big kidnappers and such."

And everyone's like, cool cool, how ironic, ect.

“Bring me a beer, fag!”

“I’m sorry, but I don’t think you’re allo…”, Jon slaps me over the face with his size 12 foot.

“I don’t ask what you think, fag. Yes, I’m 19 but look at me. Look at that thick beard and all those muscles”, he rubs his jaws covered with a thick dark stubble and then slides his hand over his abs.

“They haven’t been asking me for id since I was 15. And look at you. You’re five years older than me but you’re a puny boy next to me. If I stand up, you will barely reach over my shoulders, don’t you, fag”, Jon laughs.