#jamie bower

Since these people who use this subreddit have gone out of their way to make sure I'm never allowed on Reddit again (just because they lie about me) and I have no other way to defend myself, I will do so here by addressing this comment thread point by point over how absolutely ridiculous it is.

I used to chat on Discord with tabersnarktea. The creator of this chat is just crazy. How can you judge Elena if you’re a thousand times worse than her? When rumors about Elena and Jamie breaking up started spreading, she immediately kicked me out of the chat because I didn’t insult Elena personally

This is absolutely not true, whatsoever. No one in the Discord was ever required to personally insult Elena. Ever. This never happened. This is not a rule to join the Discord or be in the Discord. What happened was that after it was revealed there were spies in there (you know like this person making this comment) it was asked that people state their personal opinion on Elena. They were not asked to insult her, not asked to say mean things for no reason, not asked to attack her, just asked to clarify why they were in there and what they thought of Elena. Period. Since I do not know this person's Discord username (they didn't share it) I can't tell you what they said, or refused to say, but if I had to guess based on the rest of the lies this person told they are exaggerating this situation. It gets even worse:

I think it’s some kind of envious person from Elena’s close circle, or just someone who’s crazy.

Here we have the random accusation that I am an envious person from Elena's close circle (because of course I am? No one could possibly hate her based on her own actions alone could they) and if I'm not that I'm just generic crazy because I don't like her objectively toxic behavior on social media as an influencer. Okay then. She goes on to say this (without providing it by the way because there is no proof):

And I know her Instagram account (when Jamie posted a photo with the hairdresser, she accidentally left a comment from the tabersnark account, and then continued the discussion from her real account, apparently forgetting to switch)

This didn't happen. At all. The only comments I made on that hairdresser post were asking if the girlfriend who booked the appointment was Elena Taber. When the hairdresser replied I thanked her. That was it. I didn't switch to another account. I didn't "make a mistake" I didn't come back. I got the screenshot, posted it, and left. Besides, I also followed up with saying I was blocked (even though that's all I did was ask that question) and if this person knew anything about IG that means any other account I have would be banned especially my personal account. They do it by IP. So how could I have come back by mistake and used my "real account". As I said, notice how they don't provide proof of this they just say this, but it also didn't happen.

I’m glad Jamie is liking Elena’s posts again — let that bitch die of envy in her rotten chat (there are some good people there, but the creator isn’t one of them).

So I should "die of envy" in my "rotten chat". The chat, which by the way, is about people who don't like Elena and Jamie together and that's what this subreddit is supposed to be about. So they joined a Discord they don't like, about a topic they don't like, over people they want to be together, and are mad that they were kicked out, but I was toxic and crazy anyway so...what exactly is the problem? The problem is that when you lie to yourself and make up stories that don't happen you create scenarios in your head that you get mad at that which are completely fictional. All of this is insanely twisted out of context or just a flat out lie. So let's move on to the person who replied, shall we?

Since that pic tho, they became incredibly erratic with the way they talked and posted, especially on tumblr, started heavily contradicting themself, for example the ring argument, a little after the drama started they said “oh Jamie’s not wearing her ring, that must mean he dumped her!” Then after the may pic, when he wore it in Finland and he mentioned “his partner” in some grocery store story, they immediately started saying “THAT MEANS NOTHING, THEY’RE BROKEN UP”

First of all this is also out of context. I had always contended that Jamie was never wearing her ring in the first place because it wouldn't fit him. These Elena defenders have some idea that she has the same size man fingers as Jamie (which she doesn't) and I always explained that he wouldn't be wearing her ring because it wouldn't fit. Even if he got it resized it would look ridiculous on him and to this day no one has ever provided any proof that he did wear "her ring" other than maybe he had a ring that was similar to one that she wore. Secondly, when he mentioned "his partner" in Finland at the panel (which I will also point out no one has any proof that this was even said or not it is just something repeated incessantly) I explained that he kept telling stories about Jess (his partner) even after they were clearly broken up. I said very clearly that he is not going to publicly announce to a panel of fans who are all rabid about Elena that they broke up. That it doesn't necessarily mean anything because it doesn't. Which is the truth. I did not do or say what she claims here.

The more hints there are that Jamie is just purely stupid and still with her, the more aggressive and erratic they became.

Aggressive and erratic as in how? They don't give any examples of this either they just say that I was doing this? I think their best example is me not wanting to post on social media anymore about this, which I don't. You know why? People like this. People who spy on my Discord. People who stalk me. People who steal my sources then trash me. People who make up wild stories about me that have no proof or truth to back them up and then treat it as gospel. I'm sorry why would I want to keep running social media and subject myself to that harassment? To what end? Would anyone else? On top of that, even if this weren't the case maybe I'm just tired? Me leaving social media and deciding to be private and quiet is the opposite of "aggressive and erratic" it's showing that I'm moving away from it not towards it.

Not to even mention that article they wrote about the sub claiming no evidence on photos of Elena’s parents’ properties and taxes and personal things being leaked in the hub one, when i have screenshots of everything. Pure denial and thinking they’re morally superior.

Notice how they say they have "screenshots of everything" they claim here but don't provide evidence (once again) to back that up. Furthermore as I discussed in my previous post about this same topic, even if that did happen, all of these things are public information that you can get via Google. Charity organizations have public tax returns. All of them. Google Street View is also public. This is like complaining that someone posted Google Street View of the White House and it was "doxxing" the president. I mean they really make this sound so much more extreme than it actually was because they know the truth makes it sound like I'm a reasonable boring person and so they have to make it sound worse than it actually was. While at the same time acting like I'm crazy. For some reason.

Indeed, tabersnark is very unstable. I tried to message her on TikTok to see if she was okay, but she blocked me there too. I’m not angry with her, but I believe that problems with aggression should be addressed with a psychotherapist, not by choosing a stranger as a target and engaging in online bullying.

They decided I'm unstable because I blocked them on TikTok. If this is who I think it is, this person was blocked because they were HARASSING ME on TikTok. Not because they sent me a polite message. Not because they were nice. Not because they were civil. They were blocked for that reason. Of course they frame it as they are the innocent party and I'm the crazy one but I don't block people for just sending me a question on social media that would be ridiculous.

On top of that, the real irony here is they are literally posting on a subreddit that is dedicated to targeting and engaging in online bullying towards Elena Taber. So once again this is what? Rules for me but not thee? They somehow are better for doing the same thing? They aren't the ones who need to see a therapist? They aren't the ones with aggression? This person is having an absolute mental breakdown because they were removed from a Discord they also claim they hated and is toxic but is also claiming that I'm the one who needs to go see a therapist? This person who joined the Discord on purpose to do the same thing as me, they are the sane one? This person who is right now on a subreddit dedicated to harassing Elena Taber and tearing down everything she does, is somehow also not targeting a stranger to bully online? But I am? Really? That's the logic here?

If Jamie is with her, it means he’s fine with it; the questions should be directed at Elena, but insulting her and forcing others to do the same in order to be part of your personal cult is worse than Elena herself.

Personal cult? Forcing people to insult her? Once again as I said, I never forced anyone to insult Elena. This only came up after there were proven spies in the Discord and people were rightfully worried about this specific scenario. What this person is posting. That what was in a private conversation would be leaked publicly. That's why. This isn't a cult. There is no leader. People in my Discord disagree with me (and each other all the time). There aren't any rules about insulting Elena (or not) there's no "force" or coercion. It's just a discussion and that's it.

From that moment on, I realized that she had no moral right to do this, and that’s why she dropped off the radar.

But this person has a moral right to do the exact same thing I'm doing because what? They phrase it differently? I ask again, how is this person who is regularly engaging in snarking on Elena on Reddit above the behavior that I've done? If anything it's worse because my behavior is private and meant to be so. Not posturing for others in a public space. So she has a moral right to attack Elena all over Reddit but I have no right to say anything privately about Elena?

She was shouting so loudly on her Tumblr blog that they’d broken up, as if she were the third person in their shared bed.

I have no idea what this is even supposed to mean? Shouting on my blog? She means reporting stuff that was happening because it was posted publicly and having the same opinions that she has about Elena? That everyone else does? So when I do it I'm a psychotic delusional person who thinks I'm in a relationship with them. When they all do it on Reddit they are the morally upstanding people who are not parasocial? Can someone explain this to me? Also how can you "shout" on a blog? Explain that part too.

And she freaked out really badly when they posted their joint photo from the concert,

Well this never even happened. Elena and Jamie didn't post a "joint photo" from the concert. Someone randomly took a picture of Elena standing near Jamie and it was found out. Jamie didn't post it. Elena didn't post it. Also "freaked out really badly"? By which she means what? Got frustrated? Annoyed? Tired of all this random drama and bullshit? Disgusted that Jamie still associated with this toxic woman? You know like hundreds if not thousands of other people did with the same reaction? Yet once again when I have this reaction I'm "freaking out really badly" when these people have this SAME reaction (and I will remind you they did) they are not freaking out really badly? Okay? Give me a fucking break.

Honey, stop worrying so much about other people’s lives. Maybe she’s just some rejected fan of Jamie’s.

Here she ends with telling me to stop worrying about other people's lives, but she's very worried about mine (and also not being in this Discord she's not allowed in). Then she says I'm a "rejected fan of Jamie's" whatever that means. Oh right because anyone who disagrees with Jamie or criticizes Elena is someone who wants to date him and that's the only possible reason I could have anything bad to say about Elena, because I want Jamie. Even though I have clarified several thousand times that I don't want him and I don't care. He's not even my type. Meanwhile, once again, this person who is engaging in this exact same behavior they accuse me of being abhorrent with is I guess a saint? You can't have it both ways dumbass. Be a fucking adult and tell the truth. Be a fucking adult and talk to me like an adult. Be a fucking adult and admit you are lying. Be a fucking adult and get off of a snark Reddit for a woman you think is a pure victim if you think calling her out is bullying and so horrible. Like why are you so obsessed with me and my Discord which you claim to hate that you need to invent stories that never happened just to what? Get upvotes on Reddit? Be the victim? You're a gross entitled asshole, no wonder you're siding with Elena. You're just like her.

Here's a tip:

If you don't like what I say, don't read it. If you never liked what I said, why did you join the Discord. If you think this is all so bad, delete your Reddit account and stop participating in this bullying you are participating in. Take your own advice and see a therapist because your delusions are off the chart and you are clearly a pathological liar. Holy fuck these people are absolute nightmares to deal with. Just go the fuck away and let me have my private Discord already, you already won't let me run my own subreddit, why do you need to be such fucking Nazis about this?

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He liked her last post but doesn't like every single post.

Jamie suffers from low self-steem. After years being a musician, he doesn't feel comfortable on stage. He still is very insecure.