My favorite way to read in a foreign language is to take a book and read it in my native language or english first, and then pick said book in my target language. This technique is even more helpful if you also pursue translation studies but that's a plus, not a requirement. Since I've already read it in a language I can fully comprehend and critically analyze, I am not only able to read the book in my TL much quicker, I'm also able to fully grasp how a native speaker would rephrase or interpret the same sentences.

I have gone through all of these topics before, in this post on Language Learning Terms. Please peruse my #study plan and #study method tags if you'd like to read more about how to use these kinds of study materials in depth.

In this post I'd like to explain how to quickly gauge how a learning material is intending to teach you, and what skill it is helping you improve the most.

To identify if a learning material is going to help listening, reading, speaking, or writing: just identify what type the learning material falls under, and what type of activities it recommends you do. Many learning materials will have some overlap, and if you're creative you can find a way to practice all 4 skills with a well made material.

If it's a listening material - it will help with listening. So podcasts, youtube videos, dialogue recordings from a textbook, classroom instruction where the teacher speaks, etc. If it's a reading material - it will help with reading. So textbooks with text in the language, podcast transcripts, graded reader texts, videos with subtitles you are reading, classes with reading material, etc. If the material includes speaking exercises then it will help with speaking - shadowing a dialogue or podcast by trying to repeat right after what you hear out loud, practice dialogue exercises in textbooks and websites where you say sentences you make up based on the vocabulary and examples, apps/podcasts like Glossika and Pimsleur and Coffee Break Spanish where you repeat after the speaker, classes where you are required to speak with students/teacher, tutoring sessions that involve talking with another person. If the material includes writing exercises then it will help with writing - so textbook grammar drills where you are given vocabulary and grammar points then asked to answer questions by writing sentences in the language, classes that require writing assignments, writing down a transcript of audio you listen to (trying to transcribe what you hear), text conversations between you and others on a language exchange app, writing journal prompts, etc.

To identify how a learning material is going to teach you the information: check if the learning material is made to be intensively or extensively used.

Intensive learning materials will give you vocabulary lists and explanations for everything you'll need to know to understand the material (or at least everything they expect you won't know yet). Intensive learning materials expect you to read the explanations, translations, and other aids provided in the material in order to understand what's being taught.

Intensive learning materials are useful for people who prefer explanations, and learning by preparing with an explanation and then later seeing examples of those things being used in context. Intensive learning materials tend to be the easiest to use, since they're designed to provide you with all necessary tools. But they may require some initial review of what's explained BEFORE attempting to use the material as listening, speaking, reading, or writing practice.

Some intensive study materials will have reference sections you may read for explanations before/after as needed (such as grammar references and textbooks), some will have built in explanations constantly (such as parallel texts, words defined on the same page as they pop up, immediate translation of a new word in podcast).

Examples of intensive study materials include: many textbooks with vocabulary lists and grammar explanations, Glossika and Pimsleur (which translate/explain each sentence as it's provided), many learner podcasts that are dialogue focused (such as Coffee Break French), many Youtube lessons (where each new word and grammar point is explained that the lessons thinks you need to know to understand the lesson).

You can also decide to intensively read/listen to ANY material you find, regardless of how the material was designed to be used, by deciding on your own to look up any unknown words and unknown grammar you encounter. So you could theoretically watch a show, or read a novel, or talk with a person, and purposefully intensively study it by looking up every unknown word and grammar point you'd need to understand it. So you can turn extensive study materials INTO intensive study materials, by simply studying them intensively.

Intensive reading/listening is simply: looking up translations and explanations for anything you don't understand and want to understand. Every time you read a textbook in your native language for History or Science or another subject, and the textbook defined terms in the paragraphs and at a little glossary at the end, the textbook was designed to be intensively studied (it expected you would need explanations, and provided them). Every time you listened to a lecture in your native language and the teacher provided definitions on a board or projector screen so you could follow the lecture, that was intensive listening. (These are examples of heavily assisted intensive listening/reading where the learning material provided all you needed, but intensive listening/reading can also be done by YOU determining what you need to look up and looking it up yourself, and in reality a lot of the time you'll need to be the one deciding what you need to look up in order to understand something).

Extensive learning materials are designed to be easily understood based on what the learner is already expected to know. So ideally a learner should not have to look anything up to understand an extensive learning material, and to learn more from context. As long as the learner is using an extensive learning material made for their level of current understanding. Examples of extensive learning materials are: graded readers (particularly any with images and cognates if they're for beginners), Comprehensible Input Lessons (that use visuals to explain anything you might need to know - so stuff like Dreaming Spanish channel videos), Nature Method Textbooks, learner podcasts (if you are the language level the podcast was designed to be understandable for). As you learn more and more, eventually some materials for native speakers will be things you can extensively engage with.

Extensive learning material is more useful for: people who enjoy learning primarily through context, and for when you know MOST of the words/grammar used in the material. You will feel quickly exhausted if you try to extensively listen to/read something that has MANY unknown pieces which are critical to understanding what they're trying to communicate. If the material is a good level for you to extensively read/listen to, then it will feel reasonably easy to engage with the material for significant durations of time.

Extensive reading/listening is simply: reading or listening and understanding the main idea, without needing any explanations. Every time you read a book in your native language and did NOT need to look up any words to understand it, you were extensively reading. Every time you listened to something in your native language, and did not need to look anything up to understand what was communicated, you were extensively listening. (So think about fiction novels where you managed to figure out what 'macabre' meant in context without looking it up, along with other words. Or TV shows/programs where you managed to figure out what 'evidence' meant by them explaining they are looking for 'evidence' at the crime scene, but no one ever defined it formally. Or when you watch a youtube video essay that's about a topic you're already familiar with, and you hear a word like 'intertextual' and guess what it means from context but the video never defines it for you).

Pretty much every study material and study activity you can break down by "does it help listening, reading, speaking, writing?" and "do I engage with it by intensively reading/listening, or extensively reading/listening?" I gauge every study material and study activity I do by these terms.

I use intensive learning materials when I want stuff designed to explain everything I need, and want to read a lot of explanations so I can delve into harder stuff quicker. Or when I'm looking at a material made for native speakers that I can't understand, I decide to intensively read/listen to it - so I look up things as I engage with the material in order to understand it. I use extensive learning materials when I want something that feels fairly easy to me, when I want to primarily learn from context, and practice my reading and listening speed. I determine which study material to use based on what skill I want to improve at that time - reading, listening, speaking, writing - and then decide if I can practice one of those activities with a given study material I'm considering.

撅 juē - to protrude; to stick out; to pout (also written 噘 ); to embarrass (people); (dialect) to abuse (verbally)

好处 hǎo chǔ - easy to get along with

升 shēng - to ascend; to rise to the rank of; to promote; to hoist; liter; measure for dry grain equal to one-tenth dou 斗

耳光 ěr guāng - a slap on the face

雪茄烟 xuě jiā yān - cigar

强盗 qiáng dào - to rob (with force); bandit; robber

懒惰 lǎn duò - idle; lazy

压迫 yā pò - to oppress; to repress; to constrict; oppression; stress (physics)

晒太阳 shài tài yáng - to be in the sun (getting warm or sunbathing etc); to put sth in the sun (e.g. to dry it)

讨厌 tǎo yàn - to dislike; to loathe; disagreeable; troublesome; annoying

替 tì - to substitute for; to take the place of; to replace; for; on behalf of; to stand in for

摔 shuāi - to throw down; to fall; to drop and break

葫芦 hú lu - calabash or bottle gourd (lagenaria siceraria); hoist; generic term for block and tackle (or parts thereof); muddled; (poker) full house

富翁 fù wēng - rich person; millionaire; billionaire

Right now I’m working my way through three different books in Persian, with three different methods. Each one is helping me with different skills - and since I have a short attention span, I can switch books whenever I start to get bored.

I’m reading one easy book without a dictionary, one harder book with a dictionary, and one audiobook with a familiar story:

1. هری پاتر و زندانی آزکابان (Harry Potter & the Prisoner of Azkaban) - Audiobook. This is the third Harry Potter audiobook I’ve listened through. I already know the plots of the books very well, but in terms of vocabulary, this book is a bit above my level. When I listen to the audiobook, I am training my listening skills of course, but also my ability to follow the story even if I miss some words and phrases. And if I start to become lost, I just keep going until the book reaches another familiar scene.

2. سابریل (Sabriel) - ReadLang. I am a big, big fan of the ReadLang tool. It lets me read texts while having a pop-up dictionary close at hand, and harvest those new words for further study. Sabriel is a YA Fantasy book about on the level of Harry Potter, except I haven’t read it in English before. Since it’s unfamiliar to me, and it’s more difficult than Deltora, I need the help of a dictionary. Plus, I have a copy of the English version to refer to, to check my understanding after reading in Persian.

3. در جستوجوی دلترا (Deltora Quest) - Kindle. This is a very simple series of children’s chapter books. It’s by far the easiest out of the books I’m reading, which is important: I’m reading without a safety net. I want to be able to read it fluently, without worrying about missing too many words. I haven’t read this book before, so I have to figure out the plot as I go along. This book is just a plain PDF loaded onto my Kindle: no dictionary, no cheating. In contrast to the audiobook, I can read it at my own pace, and re-read sections for clarity.

Day 1/100. Did three hours of studying, some of the time spent on setting up (like making color-coded excel file for logging progress). Read/translated 1 paragraph (8 sentences, 1 of them very long).

The book is “Pink and Gray” by Kato Shigeaki, bought in 2013 (I also have Senko Scramble from the same shopping spree, and several manga volumes). Actually, one can argue that manga is better at my level, but I get distracted by pictures - and can vaguelly understand the story - so it doesn’t work for me. With book I am forced to really read the text. I’m also bored of textbooks and anki-type apps.

What I decided to do this time is called “intensive reading”, which is a method of reading when you take notice of every word and grammar point you come across, and try to really understand the text. It is usually used in contrast and complement to “extensive reading” which is more about a speed and amount. (Well, I can’t do that one yet.)

As I’ve written in the beginning, I only managed 1 paragraph, but the process was actually enjoyable. I also written it down by hand, and looked up every unknown kanji, word, and grammar point. Tomorrow I will reread the text and check my understanding, then continue.

So I've tended to study 2 ways: either cramming a lot of explicit intensive study to understand something I could not understand before, or just extensively reading/watching things I understand the main idea of and guessing unknown stuff from context.

I'm going to discuss the usefulness of intensive activities, and extensive activities. And maybe what kind of person would prefer which, which type will help with what goals.

Intensive study: great for quickly increasing things you are 'vaguely familiar' with extremely fast, great for reviewing things in a focused way so you do a lot of reviews and end up learning something to the 'recognize and understand' point quicker. For me, the point at which I 'fully learn to instantly understand' words/grammar is still the same amount of time encountering words whether I do intensive or extensive study. But intensive study speeds up the words becoming 'vaguely familiar' and 'recognize and understand' to me.

When might intensive study be useful? Here are some examples:

You want to speak quickly for a trip, so you intensively study a bunch of phrases for travel and things you might say on that trip. So you go through a phrasebook and read everything, to get some vague familiarity if people say those phrases to you later in travel. You repeat a lot of phrases out loud, repeatedly, over a few weeks, to get yourself to 'recognize and understand' them if people say them to you and hopefully to make it possible for you to say them on the trip.

You want to study for a test. Reading the vocabulary list and the grammar points repeatedly before a test, looking up anything unknown that you think will be on the test, will give you at least a 'vague familiarity' so you can guess some things, and hopefully a 'recognize and understand' level with the words so you can understand what's being asked on the test and respond to some degree.

You want to watch a specific show in the target language. Intensively watching a few episodes, looking up every unknown word for say 8 episodes, will quickly give you a 'vague familiarity' with the most common words in the show. Then continuing to look up those 'vaguely familiar' words as they come up again and again, or studying an anki deck with those words, will eventually make you 'recognize and understand' them. At which point, it becomes easier to 'recognize and understand' the main idea of the entire show's episodes. Then you can spend the rest of your time extensively watching (no word lookups) and guessing other new words from context from that main idea you understand.

You want to read a specific book in the target language. Same idea as the show - you intensively look up every unknown word in the first several chapters. Then you keep looking up unknown words, or you study an anki deck of those unknown words, and you eventually get a 'vague familiarity' with many of those words. Then you 'recognize and understand' many of the words, and can start to extensively read (not need word lookups) to guess the meaning of the unknown parts. This is a great way to learn new words when reading - to pick a new novel, look up all the unknown key words you need to understand the main idea, then keep looking those words up until you 'recognize and understand' them. Then the rest of the author's books become easier, and books written with similar types of words. Eventually extensive reading becomes possible, reading without needing to look anything up to follow the main idea. At which point you can build up 'fully learn to instantly understand' skills.

You're studying a language like Japanese or Chinese and want to read characters. Intensively studying anki flashcards, or a textbook, or a list, of radicals and then characters and common words, will make a decent chunk of characters 'vaguely familiar' to you in a short amount of time (less than years). Then you can keep reading (like graded readers and textbooks or flashcards with sentences) and looking up characters regularly until you fully learn to 'recognize and understand' them. Then as you continue engaging with the language, you'll eventually just 'fully know and instantly understand' more and more characters. I think a lot of Japanese learners cram study anki flashcards (or at least I cram studied lol) for characters, because having at least a 'vague familiarity' makes the characters quicker to get to that point of 'recognize and understand.' You already have a memory of the character, from a flashcard or textbook or website where you initially intensively studied it, so the next several times you run into it you are just building up more memories to attach to the characters. The more memories attach to that first memory, the more you understand it. So if you build a bunch of initial memories of characters with intensive study, it's much easier to recognize the character again in a textbook or graded reader or immersion and be reviewing the character instead of learning it brand new (whether you review by looking up what it means again until you remember, or understand it from context).

Studying grammar of a language unfamiliar to your own. Like the characters example above, if you study grammar ahead of time with explicit explanations, then when you run across grammar again in the language - you already have an initial memory to attach the new example to. That initial memory of the grammar point you read about, is your 'vague familiarity' and each time you run across the grammar point in a book or show or conversation you recognize 'ah it's this X point, I should look it up again because I don't remember how it works.' You remember the grammar point EXISTS because you studied it before. That alone makes it easier to identify in the future, even if you'll need to keep looking it up, or keep understanding the grammar point in context, to finally 'recognize and understand' it easily. And then to eventually 'fully learn and instantly understand' it.

Intensive study, which for the intents of this discussion is any time you look up explicit explanations of things in the language or translations, is really good for building a 'vague familiarity' and 'initial memory' of something you're trying to learn. Once you have an initial memory then it becomes easier to recognize that same language piece again in the future, and easier to attach a memory of it's meaning to the existing initial memory (whether the new memory of meaning is you looking up translations/explanations Again or you understanding the meaning through context). If you know something Exists, it's easier to recognize and pay attention to, and eventually remember the meaning of. Intensive study is great for learning certain aspects of a language exist and getting your mind to pay attention to those aspects.

Intensive study is also great if you want to 'recognize and understand' something quickly. NOT necessarily understand it well, there will still be a lot of ambiguity, but understand it QUICKLY. It's like if I told you the word blue and showed you a picture of turquoise stone as your initial memory, and then you watched shows where people said 'blue' a lot about things that were NOT turquoise color. You'd vaguely know the word 'blue' has to do with turquoise stone, and that would maybe help you guess 'blue' is a color or stone, and then over time you'd keep looking 'blue' up and seeing the definitions and example sentences, you'd keep seeing 'blue' said in the show in different context, and eventually understand it's a broad range of color. Your initial vague familiarity with 'blue' was that it was a color or stone, or related to those, and then that would be enough to help you guess the meaning of 'blue' with the context you kept seeing it in, and with the examples/definitions you kept seeing for it. Language learning is like this, translations are not one to one. You get a vague familiarity but it will take a WHILE to recognize and understand what it actually means, it will take seeing it in different contexts and seeing different explanations until the word finally clicks for you fully. Then more exposure for it to be understood 'instantly' without thought. Well intensive study of say 2000 common words, means when you go into a show you have at LEAST a vague guess of what a majority of the words you hear might mean. And you have an initial memory of those 2000 words, to start attaching the meaning of the new contexts you see those words used in. Intensive study of 2000 words in anki can be great for prepping to read, or to watch a show, because even a 'vague familiarity' is useful. It is more context to rely on, to attach memories to.

I think a lot of Chinese and Japanese learners study 2000+ words in anki before watching shows, because even a vague familiarity gives them something to attach more meaning and context to over time. With a language with a lot of cognates to your own, like me knowing English and learning French, a lot of the cognates do that work of providing additional context I can use to guess unknown words. With Chinese, once you know a certain amount of hanzi, the hanzi provide that additional context to guess the meaning of new words, and radicals give some initial memory to use to build up the meaning of new hanzi in your head. But in the beginning, knowing zero characters, you've got few cognates to rely on, no common roots or word endings to English, studying intensively gives you some 'vague familiarity' information in your head to start tying memories to.

Intensive study is a great way to get a lot of initial vague familiarity with lots of words or grammar, fast. If you keep looking up words repeatedly, or keep doing anki reviews/textbook reviews/list reviews regularly, it also gets words into your 'recognize and understand' level quicker since you're regularly reviewing/running into those words again and again. You still get long term 'fully know and instantly understand' of words just as fast as extensive learning - it takes repeated exposure of many contexts many times. But the initial part can be sped up, and you can control WHAT you are initially vaguely familiar with, with intensive study of the material you choose.

Extensive study, which for the purpose of this discussion will just be engaging with anything you understand the main idea of, and can guess/infer other thing's meanings from the context of that main idea.

Extensive study is great for improving comprehension SPEED. It's great for improving ability to understand the language without tools. It's great for improving confidence in using the language. It's great for practicing understanding and using the language the way you would in real situations, when there's nothing to help you.

Extensive reading builds reading speed, and reading comfort. It is necessary to build reading fluency (including in your native language). You will never read fast if you never practice reading without looking things up. You will never develop the skill of inferring meaning from context, a skill often used in reading, if you look up every single unknown thing. These are necessary skills.

Extensive listening builds up the speed at which you understand words/grammar, how 'instantly' you can understand what you've learned to 'recognize and understand.' Until you listen to things spoken at native speed, things spoken with normal amounts of slurring and normal accent variations, you will not have any practice understanding the language in regular conversational use. You have to practice understanding language as it is actually spoken, to get better at understanding the language spoken in Real Time as it's Actually Spoken. And again, like reading, extensive listening builds up the skill of inferring the meaning of unknown parts when listening. Which is a skill you have to develop. Some people will say certain words weird, have hard accents to understand, speak super quickly, say a word you don't know, and you need to develop skills to cope with those situations when there is no ability to ask them to repeat themselves and no ability to look something up.

Imagine being 4 years old again in your native language, and hearing the news for adults - you don't remember this probably, but the news for adults used a lot of words you didn't know and country names you didn't know, and you might have heard your parents discuss the news with each other and tried your best to follow what they said but couldn't. I remember it wasn't until I was 9 that I felt I could understand the news on TV, or my parents discussing the news. Well conversations in the target language are like that - some will be easier to understand sooner, like conversations about what to eat. Some will be harder to understand for a longer amount of time, and you need to develop strategies to infer what meaning you can, to ask people to rephrase things and explain, to judge what areas of language you Can Understand better versus worse so you know what to work on.

Extensive reading and extensive listening help you build the skills to understand in your target language, that you use in your native language every day. Over time these skills will make understanding the target language quicker for you, more intuitive, and more comfortable.

Extensive speaking with other people, or texting with other people, can help you develop the skills to talk about the things you want to even if you don't know a word. Say I couldn't remember the word melancholic in english, I might say "Today's weather is so - like heavy, it makes me feel sad.' and express the similar intent to me trying to say "today's weather is making me feel melancholic'. You learn different ways to express what you mean, when you can't look things up. (You can look things up, intensively, if you're trying to build up what you can say into more things). You need the skill to be able to communicate, even if imperfectly, in situations where looking things up isn't possible or easy. Practicing communicating with no tools allows you to learn how to do that.

Extensive listening, reading, speaking is also great if: you like learning primarily through guessing from context/by doing activities, if you can find material you understand the main idea of. Such as comprehensible input lessons on youtube (designed for the main idea to be understood from visuals), or nature method textbooks (designed for main idea to be understood using images and cognates to English), or graded readers (designed to be main idea understandable if you know the number of common words the graded reader recommends/have the language level the graded reader recommends such as A2/N2/HSK3), or a tutor who is tailoring their speech to a level you understand (while also saying some new words/grammar each session). I love learning from context, and learning by doing the activity I want to be able to do. So I love these kinds of resources. With French, after 1 semester class and reading a 1000 common words list, I pretty much exclusively used these kinds of resources until I could extensively read regular novels. With Chinese and Japanese, I did more intensive study at the beginning, and I used graded readers, manga, manhua, to extensively read as soon as possible. I love learning from context.

If you find learning from context-only to be intensely FRUSTRATING, then I would recommend avoiding materials made to be extensively studied, except when you're specifically trying to practice listening/reading comprehension and tolerance for ambiguity, trying to develop the skill of guessing from context (because you will need that skill eventually). I'd recommend picking extensive learning materials where you know as much as possible of what's in it - since you do not like ambiguity or guessing from context, you'll want to make what's unknown just a small part of the material that only happens once every 5 minutes or so. I also recommend using things with parallel translations for a while before diving into just-target-language stuff: things like bilingual texts, learner podcasts that include english explanations, and language/target language audio sentences like Glossika or pimsleur. Those study materials with translations will be easier for you to tolerate, so you can practice understanding then Check the translations for if you successfully understood/guessed, and help you work your way toward eventually some target-language-only materials to extensively practice with.

If you find learning from explanations intensely FRUSTRATING, and enjoy learning from context much more? I would recommend looking up materials that are more suited to extensive study: 'comprehensible input lessons' with a lot of visuals to provide context, graded readers, learner podcasts for the language level you're at (A1, A2 etc), especially learner podcasts that primarily stay in the target language, tutors that will use pictures and speak with mostly words you know (and introduce some new stuff to you regularly), and engaging with anything you understand the main idea of.

Visual materials will be easier for you to understand the main idea of, and the visuals will provide more context - so cartoons for toddlers where the visuals are directly related to what's being said, cartoons for 5-10 year old kids, comics for children and comics about daily life topics, shows and video games you know the plot of already (so you have context to guess what's going on and what words might mean what). Later, reading novels and listening to audiobooks of things you already know the plot of. Reading nonfiction and news can be easier too, because if you already know the nonfiction topic well then you can guess what more unknown words mean, with news you can see a lot of proper names and places and if you're familiar with the news already then you know what should be going on and can guess what the unknown words mean.

. I’ve also reread chapters 1-10 of Guardian at least 2 more times since that last count (so 3.5 pages a priest novel chapter is what i used for my last calculation, is 3.5*20=70 pages).

52+70+1120=1242 pages read so far, lets say.

The last post I did on “pages read” was about an article that said after about 6,000 pages read, you read fluently.

This reddit post today I saw, is going by the assumption after 10,000 pages reading becomes fluent. Either way, I’ve got a long way to go lol.

I wanted to compare my progress to the reddit poster’s, as I think their metric of “how the reading went” at each pages milestone seems very on point.

Here’s what they shared:

How do I read? Here is a rough guide based off of current/past experience.

Pages 0-1500 - very, very slowly. Looking up words and trying to memorize them with flashcards or just re-reading passages

Pages 1500-3500 - slowly and everything sucks. I look up unknown words but no longer try to memorize them

Pages 3500-6000 - now reading is fun, I can read fluidly and only look up words that seem important. There are enough unknown words that reading is annoying but I generally enjoy it and can read up to 40-50 pages a day

Pages 6000-7500 - reading is very easy. I now mix extensive reading in with looking up unknown words

Pages 7500-10,000 - reading almost feels like reading in English except I need to look up unknown words and make an effort to memorize really strange ones that I like

Pages 10,000+ - reading feels easy and enjoyable.

Based on this, I wonder if I’ve read more that I’ve simply not counted? Maybe re-reading ought to count (I know I’ve read the first hundred pages of Guardian several times, and while listening to an audiobook is not reading, I’ve listened to those first 20 chapters like 10 times each at minimum... so I know the words in those chapters fairly well). I’ve also partially reread my two favorite pingxie fics at least 4 times each, because I always read 30-60 chapters then burn out, then a few months later start rereading from the beginning and repeat. 

I’d place myself, based on how reading feels, somewhere between pages 1500-3500, and 3500-6000. I read somewhat slow but not much slower than when reading in english, I look up unknown words sometimes depending on the novel, but it does not generally suck and doesn’t generally feel super difficult and I don’t necessarily NEED to look up any words for comprehension. That said - I read very appropriate to my reading level. If I picked up a published novel in a genre I’m unfamiliar with, particularly some literary work, I’m going to feel a lot more like its a sucky slog. I feel reading is often fun (especially genres I’m familiar with like crime and supernatural), I only look up words occasionally that seem important or I’m curious about (but it’s usually not needed for comprehension), there’s enough unknown words that I couldn’t translate it with confidence in my word choice without the aid of a dictionary, I could read 40-50 pages a day (but since I usually only read for a half hour to hour max a day, I usually read 20-40 pages in a day). So yeah my reading in chinese feels like around the 3500 page mark or right below, compared to this person. However, if I was constantly reading newspapers I’d definitely put myself down in the 1500-3500 range as literary works and newspapers still feel like a slog depending on the topic. 

Its funny and maybe its because of the cognate overlap, but my french reading feels like 7500-10,000 page level. It feels like reading in english, except every once in a while I look up a word and make an effort to memorize a new one (just like I would in english). However, I’ve had my wikipedia, google (and all connected sites), set to french for over 6 years now. I don’t know if that ever added up to better reading skills in french. I’ve read a few books in french but I don’t think it was over 2000 pages. It was like 400 pages graded reader, 300 short stories, maybe 500 in random novels, maybe 600 in history books, 200 in science books, and then random articles online over the years. Maybe french just feels like reading in english because I set all my tech to it for so long? It could theoretically be difficult for me to read. But also I see it so much I don’t even usually notice if a website is in french or english anymore, unless its linkedin since its ALL french but people are messaging me in english which feels so jarring to me (but i still haven’t fixed it because as far as i can tell google language determines linkedin language and french works perfectly fine for all my other google uses).

they personally looked up Every unknown word (so minimal learning *only* by context - which tbh is helpful with japanese and chinese where u sometimes need lookups of new characters period just to learn the reading even if u can figure out the word’s meaning in context). they did not mention how long the average novel they read was, but i know for the series mentioned above (the easier novels) are about 300 pages long. 

so maybe roughly 60,000 pages for around 200 novels. and maybe for the 20 book threshold where reading started flying by, 6,000 pages. (also i absolutely commend them on how much they read because even in english i cannot read that many books especially in such a short time period, and reading in a language you’re learning tends to start at a slower speed, and so just generally SUCH a huge reading achievement is impressive).

if i assume maybe chinese progress is similar to japanese reading progress, i wonder how close i am to the 6,000 page threshold of ‘20 books’. A priest novel is about 3.5 pages a chapter. I will just estimate 3 (3.5 pages is the length of a digital page length estimator, but their chapters are like 5-20 pages in my print novel versions). So i’m going to estimate probably 3 pages for the webnovel chapters i’ve read. i’ve read like 200 chapters of some pingxie fanfics, maybe 140 chapters of other stuff (finished xiao wangzi, some kids cats stories, some sci fi short stories, some saye, some tian ya ke, etc). and then about 100 pages of guardian (i’ve Reread those pages multiple times lol but i’ll just count 1 read through since i’ve read many of these multiple times). So 340 chapters*3 pages = 1020 pages of chinese read, 1120 total adding guardian. 

rip i am still SO far from even 6,000 pages. (Which in a way is funny, because if i JUST buckled down and committed to reading through the novels I start, I would easily be in the 4000s pages by now, just because tian ya ke etc are like 500 pages each then stuff like guardian is 800 pages, silent reading is even longer, sha po lang and can ci pin maybe be 1200 pages, the pingxie fics i like are easily 500-800 pages, the dmbj novels aren’t long but combined they’ve got to be like 6000 words minimum all on their own for the first several or so). 

anyway, as usual i would love to copy someone else’s study plan and see if it works for me. in part because i usually do really well with such study plans - it motivates and challenges me, and i like to “prove” i can do what someone else did, and “prove” if it works or not. (for example, when i started chinese i copied a guy who did 2000 most common chinese words Ben Whatley memrise decks then dived into reading using a click dictionary, and i did exactly what he did lol - i added some extra stuff, and certainly there were better materials i could’ve used instead but just used what he used... but it worked! his study plan worked! so i was ultimately happy i’d tried it and that it had worked for me too! i wish i had a japanese study plan i could brute force that manageably). so i very much would LIKE to brute force read through X pages or X books in chinese (or japanese one day) and see if it works. i mean... in theory it should. its just intensive reading that the poster above did. look up every unknown word as you read, and its proven to work its just extremely intensive work (very mentally draining at first until there’s less unknown words).

so of course, i prefer to read extensively instead. and learn primarily from context instead of from definition lookups. in part because i am lazy and don’t like ‘clicking’ i am so lazy lol that i really don’t want to be taken out of the reading-flow focus. and in part because i tend to remember much better when i have to “figure out and guess” what something means like a puzzle... when i look up words i don’t remember them unless i do it 3-10 times. but when i figure it out based on what i’m guessing the word means? i learn it within 1-3 times of seeing it, maybe after seeing it 5 times at most if the first few times i could get away with ignoring the word instead of trying to figure out what it means. so i learn meaning much Faster when doing it the ‘through context’ way. reading extensively also means less breaking your reading flow constantly, which helps me because i have poor focus to begin with and often need breaks already. 

however... if i’m reading extensively instead of intensively, there’s a few problems that crop up. 1. I cannot replicate that poster’s study plan, because i’m not doing the same reading type. so it may take me MORE books to get the same reading level skill, because i’m doing something different (or it may take less books, or the same amount of books, its simply unknown). 2. with a language like chinese it means guessing the hanzi readings too if i’m not using a dictionary... which is fine until i transfer from reading to listening. right now it only hangs me up because i’ll guess say “hun” for the reading of a hanzi with a similar radical, then try to look up a really frustrating word by typing in pinyin and finally realizing darn the hanzi is actually pronounced “hui” and thats why it wasn’t showing up. basically, it means the pronunciation gets even LESS reinforcement and correction than if i was looking it up 5-20 times every single time i saw the word until i finally remembered it. That’s a big reason i do a lot of “reading extensively while letting text to speech play” or just listening to audiobooks generally too. Because i like to get as much listening reinforcement of new words, so i hopefully remember their correct pronunciations to an extent even though i’m not looking it up constantly. 

i would love to say that i’d change my study plan, and start reading intensively mainly to copy the person who made that post, and see how my progress goes. but knowing me... its not going to be happen, i’ll be lucky if i can just get myself to read more in general. (fun fact about me... even an english comic it takes me 30 minutes to read 17 pages, and that’s a comic not a novel with paragraphs, in english... i read even slower in other languages... despite having a fast reading level in college where i must’ve just sped read skimmed a lot). on top of things... i am barely reading right now, i can just get myself motivated to read a bit of chinese manhua... but that’s a wayyyy lower “word count” and language density than actually pushing through novels. 

but if anyone else would like to make a goal of more reading? i’ll join you! and if anyone else would like to test what the poster did, with more specifically intensive reading (or u vary it like me and do mostly extensive reading), i’d love to know how it goes! if you want to share progress as you go!