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So, I've been playing Red Dead Redemption 2 recently (Incredible game btw! 🤩 I see why the people who have played it adore it!) And one thing I like about the RDR games is the honor system. It's basically a morality meter that determines what kind of person your Arthur Morgan is, and that gave me an idea. Welcome to a new series on my blog called...
WHAT'S THEIR HONOR?
A series where I take a character and use the morality/honor system of RDR2 to determine whatever the character would be high honor, low honor, or neutral honor.
The first characters in this series are Sun and Moon from the Sun and Moon show!
So, let's determine where these two would land on the morality spectrum.
Now, I'm gonna get the easy one out of the way. Sun is definitely high honor. There is no doubt about it. Yes, Sun may occasionally do some less than nice things, like when he went on that whole manhunt for Eclipse, and maybe some of the things with Nexus, but Sun mostly maintains good honor.
He's there for his daughter, his sister, tries to help his brothers when they need it, and gladly hops on the help train when someone is in need. He is willing to give people second chances even when they hurt him the most (I.E. Roisebell and Eclipse even if he hasn't fully forgiving them yet nor ever will.) Sun is a very good man, he may make mistakes, but he always tries to do the right thing, and be the better person.
You're a good man, Sundrop Celestial
Now, we come to someone not as clear-cut, Moon. Now, it would be so easy to just right off Moondrop as low honor and be done with it, but using the morality system of RDR2, Moon isn't as clear-cut as we think.
Now, at the start of the series and even before that, Moon is DEFINITELY low honor. He beat his brother with a metal stick and left his killcode in Sun cause he didn't want to deal with it, which ended up creating BloodMoon and Eclipse. Moon also helped Monty commit crimes and set an FBI building on fire... so, yeah. Low honor... but as the show goes on, Moon does try and do better.
Now, is Moon a better person/brother now... debatable to most, personally I believe he is doing better, still not perfect, but way better than before. But this isn't what about you or me think. This is about what the honor system would think...
Now, in RDR2, choosing to help people does give a MAJOR bump in honor. Doing the right thing does give a bump in honor, nothing major, but enough. Now, over the years, Moon has gotten better. He helped create a cure to a zombie virus, major bump in honor there, he's helped Cosmos and Solar plenty of times. Been there for Terra and Monty when needed, and has been trying to be a better brother to Sun, gave Rosiebell another shot after her betrayal, and gave Molten freewill and a home back when he was alive.
But that being said, Moon still makes plenty of mistakes as we put. He is still prone to violence, is forgiving, but never forgets. He still despises Nexus (kind of fair, honestly), he did abuse Sun for a long time, and even now tends to backslide from time to time reverting to a more ruder state similar to his old self...
So, using the RDR2 honor system, I believe Moon would land somewhere in the neutral area with the occasional dips into low honor and bursts into high honor.
Moon is neutral to low honor.
You're a... you're something, Moondrop Celestial.
So, hope you all enjoyed this. Give me your takes. Do you think I'm right on where they'd land on the Honor meter, or do you disagree?
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We found a little local pumpkin patch today that runs on the honor system. It was just a wooden stand, a cash box, and a handwritten sign with a QR code if you’d rather pay online. There were tape measures with prices marked by the inch, and little pallets of tiny pumpkins for a dollar each.
You just add up what you owe, leave your payment, and go on your way. And if you couldn’t afford it, the sign said you could just take one anyway and pay what you could.
Something about that just made my heart so happy. The world needs more of this quiet goodness. 🎃✨
I’m not sure if it’s been said before because I’ve not had a lot to do w red dead lately, but watching “Deadwood” is giving me my biannual cowboy renaissance:
So I was just thinking about the honor system and about how we kind of think it’s flawed, and I was just thinking if maybe it’s Arthur’s self perception. Somebody made a point on one of my posts about why he thinks he’s ugly, and they said it was how he felt about himself based on his actions.
Which when applying that to the honor system I think it’s interesting, because there’s things you do, things that are more or less unavoidable for game play (fighting lawmen when running for you life or something similar) and you lose honor as a player it would frustrate me, because I felt upset about that. But it made me wary to kill lawmen or such as I continued my high honor play through, which I think would reflect Arthur’s feelings. He knows he has to, of feels he has to to live, but it makes him feel dishonorable which I think is an interesting distinction from bad.*
But I feel it gives a more in depth look at his character and what he thinks is honorable or dishonorable. Like the fish, if you keep it, it’s not dishonorable, but if you throw it back that’s high honor. So it’s like he knows he will make good use of the fish if he keeps it, but if he throws it back he’s like “yeah… that was nice…” or it just makes him feel good about himself.
Or the things like the debt collecting, not all of them but some of them they make you lose honor, and it’s just like the other ones are ones he feels he has to do for the gang, but the ones he loses honor for are the ones he feels especially gross about, soiling his character. Or hunting deer vs hitting a horse, one is for survival and one is downright mean. You get honor for petting dogs, feeding the gang, donating to different things and people. It’s just like a window into how Arthur feels about his actions.
* Coming back to honorable/dishonorable vs good/bad: I think the distinction is important because you can have max high honor, and Arthur will still deny anyone who calls him a good man, and in fact insist he’s a bad man. But. He is doing the honorable things. He doesn’t think he’s good, but he thinks the choices he makes are honorable.
Honorable: “adherence to what is right or to a conventional standard of conduct”
He’s not good, he’s just doing what he thinks is the right thing in his stance as an outlaw, but kind hearted man.