May 19
do i dislike dead city? yes. however. i think i need to make a family tree (intro) edit for hershel.
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do i dislike dead city? yes. however. i think i need to make a family tree (intro) edit for hershel.
riiiiiiighttttttttt
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DEAD CITY IS SO NOTHING BURGER!!!!!!!!!
the writing is so poor. like the concepts and talking about Maggie not being over Glenn (obv) and her relationship with negan and Hershel is interesting but the execution is SO BADDDDD. WHY ARE YOU SAYING EVERYTHING OUT LOUD!!!! SHOW DONT TELL! ITS RULE NUMBER ONE OF STORYTELLING. ITS SO. LAME.
and all the new characters are so nothing. like. BORING. and it's mostly because they only have 8 epaiodes to do thingssss I've said this a million times bring back long seasons
Iāve been rewatching S9āS11 of The Walking Dead this past week, whilst paying attention to the secondāgeneration postāZombie Apocalypse kiddos and lamenting how underused (with the exception of Judith) they were in the larger story of survival and New World buildingāespecially little Hershel and RJ. So much focus, screen time, and dialogue were funneled into Judith. Look. I donāt dislike Judith; however, I do take issue with how she was written in these episodes. Honestly, it veered into āmagical unicorn Mary Sueā territory, reminiscent of Wesley Crusher in Star Trek: The Next Generation. Any Trekkies in the house?
Unlike her comicābook counterpart, Judith survives in the show, and her survival at the very beginning of the apocalypse does make for compelling storytelling. I appreciate the empathy baby Judith evokes in us as the viewer. But Hershelās and RJās survival stories are equally compelling and heartfelt, given what both Maggie and Michonne were trying to survive at the time of their respective pregnancies.
With Carl gone in the TV version, Judith becomes the āGrimesā successor to carry forward the vision Carl lays out in his farewell letters. And while I have zero doubt that any child of Michonneās would be a highly capable survivor, the writers were so heavyāhanded in the āBadass Grimes Kidā department. The āgirl wonderā persona was tough for me to swallow A LOT of the time, so I appreciated the rare moments when the other kids would point out how ābraveā or āunafraidā Judith seemed and she would noticeably withdraw into herself. Those tiny cracks in her armor kept me from crossing the line of mild annoyance to outright dislike.
I wouldāve loved more scenes of the other kids being little badasses themselves. Most of what we see little Hershel do is run and hideāaside from that one Kill Billāesque moment when he confronts Negan in the apartment complex. And I wish Gracie hadnāt been portrayed as so much weaker and naĆÆve in comparison. Her parents may not have been Rick or Michonne, but come onāAaron wouldāve absolutely taught her to defend herself better than what we saw!
And RJ. Lawd. I get that he was younger than the others, but the writers couldāve given him so much more to say and do. What a missed opportunity for character development. This is Michonne and Rickās kid! Instead, we get vague throwaway lines about him skipping grades and not eating his vegetables. Really?! Iām not saying he needed to be a miniāRick or even miniāCarl the way Judith was portrayed, but he certainly deserved more interactive moments.
So much emphasis was placed on Judith as āRickās daughter,ā but I have a hard time seeing her that way given how little time she actually had with him. At this point, I see her as Michonneās daughter. Same with RJ. Even though he carries Rickās name, both kids missed out on so much time with him. Itās heartbreaking. Any fanfiction recommendations?
Anyway, my brain is starting to meander again. Let me wrap this up by saying: I donāt dislike Judith. Cailey Fleming was fantastic. The writers just went over the top with her characterizationātoo much shine, not enough balance. Nevertheless, I still like you, Jude. Your Funko Pop is right there on my shelf next to Michonne, Rick, and Carl on my hobby shelf.
What do yāall think? Am I being too harsh? Ah, well. Until the next rant.
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Butting in here - I agree with you and last anon about Hershel's stockholm syndrome stuff it makes sense that angle but wowwwww the whole season 2 especially was so badly done.
Negan is obsessed with Maggie, he wanted her for his harem but like now he's got this weird guilt thing going on as well. But literally he's just creeping on her. Instead of just taking his wife and kid and leaving the entire area he hangs around RIGHT NEAR Maggie. Why didn't he hang around the other communities? Why does it have to be her? He has got some weird fucking obsession with Maggie specifically regardless of Glenn.
hi anon! i love having this discussion so keep them coming (though i am logging off soon to sleep but will definitely continue in the morning.)
i cant even put into words how much i agree. negan's entire character following his survival at the end of season eight is something i absolutely despise in every way possible. both in the comics and in the show i think it was completely unnecessary - and impossible - to even attempt to redeem him, because he is an unredeemable character. i fully believe it was kirkman's decision to keep him in because it really appeased the fanboys who loved to project themselves onto negan, but to me i cant find it anything but disgusting. negan has always been an abuser and a rapist who killed without need or cause. before the apocalypse, he had nothing, so once he saw the opportunity to become someone with power, he took it and abused it. that is irredeemable. and the attempt to in season nine - first with his dynamic with fan favourite judith and then with his guilt which i cannot bring myself to believe was ever as genuine as he believes it was (see, he says to daryl he would've killed them all because it would've saved him a lot of trouble). his attempt to grasp power again came through his obsession with maggie, something that was creepy and disturbing and once it extended to hershel it got even worse. this man got everything glenn deserved and threw it all away just to chase maggie around and who is that truly entertaining? his presence ruins maggie's mental health, and yet she was screwed over by nearly every character who claimed to love her and in doing so everything glenn stood for was forgotten.
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Sorry for bringing up Negan - i think they only created those relationships because there is the theme he couldn't have kids with his wife and he became a teacher to compensate, he then has a soft spot for kids as a substitute. I can reluctantly accept that plot point. But he killed a kid at Hilltop and then threatened Carl before saying one of their main rules wasn't to hurt kids. Like make make sense. But that's the last I'll say anything directly of him.
But yes, young Hershel was everything I thought Glenn's son would be, obviously struggling with facing down Negan and everything that occurred due to that, but still being a bright, loving and engaging child who was so obviously Glenn's son. Then teenage Hershel comes along (the timeline makes no sense) and utterly became a insult to Glenn. I could understand teenage Hershel still struggling with Maggie's obsession for revenge etc, how the shadow of Glenn's death and Negan looms over them but where is Hershel's compassion? Where is that brightness? Sympathy and attempts at understanding? Where is the conflict within him for revenge going against his own kind and decent nature, his moral compass. It's just Hershel being dark and twisted, acting totally OOC and being horrendously cruel to his mother. There's not even any character progression to explain him acting like this or even switching sides to betray his mother. Like the whole teenage Hershel arc was sheer affront to Glenn and I will never forgive the writers for the character assassination they did against Glenn's child.
no apology nessasary don't worry! i understand where the intent was with negan and i do love analysing the reasons why the showrunners made the decisions they did with him, but i personally didn't feel much loss when they did move away from his dynamics with lydia and judith.
and for hershel, yeah. i can't bring myself to finish season two of dead city because it makes me emotional just thinking about how this is glenn's family and everything is falling apart without him there. kid hershel from the later seasons of twd was the perfect characterisation. we saw so much of both glenn and maggie in him, and there was a great balance between him just being that innocent kid to the much heavier and gritty things that come with having a dead father, especially following the circumstances of his death. i wish he had more screentime and more focus because the arc he did have with negan was perhaps the only storyline that included negan that i enjoyed watching - only for them to ruin it once dead city came around and for some reason negan is still in their lives and being the root cause for all of these issues. i do find hershel's dead city arc to be incredibly interesting, particularly with his stockholm syndrome and the way it's explored and how his upbringing and the absence of his father caused a lot of issues for him. i think it's a way of addressing glenn's absence and how much negan truly took away from the rhee family when he killed him. but it's ruined. it's ruined by the persistence to involve negan. it's ruined by making maggie and hershel's relationship so strained that it's hard to even find moments where they can share something positive. i'm all up for the mother son angst and the obvious ramifications of glenn's death, but so much of dead city was done in poor taste that i just find it unwatchable. the shows constant dragging of maggie through the mud, never allowing her the comfort of moving on only to now lose her son too because of her own distance is not giving maggie the credit she deserves. maggie pulled herself out of the gutter and raised her baby with everything she had, and glenn would be damn proud of her for it. hershel's arc is interesting as a concept but the execution is so terrible that it leaves me desperate for a change, and it's at the point where glenn's character has been entirely assassinated even years after his death. his memory has been torn apart by these nonsensical arcs and a strange desire to keep maggie in a cycle of trauma and grief.
Guys do we talk enough about how wonderful the casting for The Walking Dead is? Lord. Whoever was behind those decisions better have gotten a VERY nice check lol. Carl (Chandler whichever you wanna say along with the others Iāll mention) dead ass looks like he could ACTUALLY belong to Rick and Lori. Every version of Hershel legit could belong to Maggie and Glenn. RJ ESPECIALLY to me at least looks so much like Rick it genuinely was pleasantly crazy funny to me when I first saw him. Kid looks like theyāre really his parents, itās nuts. Judith was giving Lori tease too the older she got. Even the kid they got for Neganās son was spot on canāt remember his name however my bad. I just know there was a kid who had that Negan smirk DOWN. Jerryās kiddos were good, Rositaās daughter too. All of the kiddos really were adorable, the adults were great fits as well. Just my lil random thoughts for today is all. Man I LOVE that freaking show frfr lmao.
Ezekielās tiger baby totally looked just like him too. Ok. Sorry Iāll go, I HAD to! š¤£ā ļøš
If you see this.. who is YOUR favorite cast member if you had to choose? Did you not like some choices if you were a comic reader first or nah..? My faves are definitely Andy and Danai. They totally have the acting chops and I just love them anyway. Both have blown me away with their performances lots of times especially that Andy. Maybe Iām biased but still they always did a great job. š„
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