You have wonderful takes on IWTV and I love your thoughts on louclaudia. So I was wondering, what are your thoughts on the take: āLouis was just as responsible for Claudiaās death as Lestat wasā?
Iāve seen this said often. I donāt really agree with it and feel like itās⦠strange but I canāt fully put into words why it feels off. Even if you support the āLestat was being held against his willā theory, and while Iām sure there was a level of coercion involved, itās hard for me to see them as having equal responsibility given Armantiagoās plan was for Louclaudia to die by Lestatās hand.
Like, even if the three of them were all being held against their will in some way, Lestat was not on the chopping block, meanwhile Louis was supposed to die just as much as Claudia was. I struggle to see Louis & Lestatās involvement as being anywhere close to equal when it comes to the trial.
But maybe Iām wearing rose colored glasses and love Louis too much idk. What are your thoughts on that take?
Hi nonnie! My thoughts are that the take is complete horseshit pedalled by losers who love to stan āproblematic favesā and then canāt handle the shit their faves did so try to āshareā the blame. I mean how the hell are you seriously going to blame the death of a victim of a lynching on another victim of THE VERY SAME LYNCHING. Can we get a fucking grip in this fandom for fuckās sake!
Louis can be blamed for his share of things wrt Claudia (and if you donāt make that disclaimer explicitly on every damn post this stupid ass fandom will crawl up your ass whinging and whining even if you already talked about where he holds responsibility) but her death is not one of them. There is no equal blame to spread around. Armand is responsible for her death bc he directed the lynching. Santiago and the rest of the fuck ass coven are responsible for her death bc they carried out the lynching. Lestatās level of responsibility is to be confirmed I suppose but at the very least there is some bc within the constraints of what he could or couldnāt do, it is a fact that he had the power to make the audience pick a different sentence for Claudia, and he chose not to. And this is intentional - she was sentenced before Louis, so thereās no excuse of āoh, he meant to, but he didnāt have enough power left after saving Louisā no, he chose to not even try to save Claudia. He made that decision knowingly.
What the hell could Louis have done to save her? Beaten and starved with his ankles slashed right alongside her? Mind you he still tried, he literally threw himself off the bench to try to get at Santiago and they all laughed at him bc everyone knew was futile. Even if folks wanna talk about before, how the hell could he have known that Armand was planning to lynch them? He was literally with Armand for Claudiaās safety, right from when Armand implicitly threatened them both when he took Louis down to that tunnel. As far as Louis could reason, they shouldāve been safe from Armand so long as he gave himself to Armand, and since Armand is stronger than the whole coven, they shouldāve been safe from them too.
The only thing Louis did wrong re: keeping Claudia safe from Armand and the coven was not telling her that Armand knew about Lestat. She had every right to know so she could guard herself, and if Louis had told her, maybe they couldāve come up with a plan together to deal with it. We know why he didnāt - he didnāt want to ruin her happiness with the coven - but it was still a wrong move. Itās debatable how much it wouldāve mattered seeing as Armand didnāt intend to let them leave anyway (and before any idiot brings up 2x04 donāt bother bc when Louis wanted to leave in 2x03 Armand was like āshould I allow the London coven such exposure?ā CLEARLY that suggestion was bs. He knew damn well that Louis wouldnāt leave without Claudia right after Armand himself had just threatened her. And when she left he waited until she came back to see Louis and fucking lynched her) but they may have stood more of a chance anyway.
And if weāre counting ALL possible blame then we gotta turn back to Lestat again bc if he hadnāt been so cruel and abusive to Claudia that she believed every word out of his mouth was a lie, if he had actually been forthcoming about Paris and the danger there instead of withholding information as usual, then even if Claudia decided to go to Europe anyway, she wouldāve been armed with knowledge and cautious about Paris, not so willing to trust the coven. And I know someone is gonna come with a āwell akshully he couldnāt say anything bc of Marius and Those Who Must Be Kept! He tried to warn her when he said āthe vampires out there are viciousā!ā so I will preemptively call bullshit bc 1. Marius had nothing to do with Lestatās business with the Paris coven. Lestat mentioned Nicki didnāt he? So he absolutely couldāve talked about Paris. He couldāve told them about Armand. He couldāve told them how Armand was involved in Nickiās death, but he didnāt. Also, itās laughable to expect Claudia to believe a word out of Lestatās mouth in that moment when the very next thing he does is belittle her sexual assault and then mock Charlieās death and then⦠oh yeah, attack Claudia and almost fucking kill Louis for wanting to leave with her. Forgive me, but Iād be a little skeptical too.
So no, the level of responsibility is nowhere close to equal. The chain of blame goes:
Armand for orchestrating the lynching
The fuckass coven for carrying it out
Lestat for being a shit father and a relentless abuser, and for choosing not to save Claudia, his daughter
The evil ugly audience for being evil and antiblack
Maaaaybe Louis. If you squint and turn your head to the side and bend all the way over. And believe that a person can be responsible for their own lynching.
N.B. Louis blames himself bc of fucking course he does. Thatās like. Normal anyway for a grieving parent, but weāre talking ldpdl here, king of self flagellation. But while Claudiaās turning is actually something they share equal blame in (if Louis hadnāt begged, Lestat wouldnāt have turned her, but if Lestat didnāt turn her, Louis couldnāt have done anything but accept it ultimately), that isnāt the same as her death (the permanent one, at least. The first death isnāt actually either of themā fault, itās a result of systemic antiblackness leading to a fucking race riot and while I have a lot to say about Lestatās response to that, itās not something either of them had control over bc thatās the nature of race riots), and she was never actually ādoomedā, despite how people love to push that narrative both in the text and in the fandom. She had made a good life for herself and was frankly better adjusted than the rest of them. She wouldāve made it, had Armand and the coven not decided to lynch her.