#godspousal

Right

Like that's what it actually is right

Every time there's a conversation about godspousal, sacred marriage, henosis, theurgy, or any of the many many many terms used to describe loving the divine, there's always the disclaimer

"I'm not calling out the REAL practitioners who have real relationships with their deities and take it SERIOUSLY. I'm only calling out the silly little girls who think they're dating Apollo omg get off tiktok!"

But you also have absolutely no way of telling who is a serious practitioner with years of experience and who is someone role playing.

??

Okay, I'm gonna be 100% straight right now, there are very obviously lots of people who just roleplay with deities for the sake of fun or comfort. Some people are very frivolous with their practice and don't put the work in or have the due respect they should.

I personally don't give even the slightest inch of a shit how legitimate or professional anyone else is with their deities or practice,

There have literally always been silly people in every single subculture ever, I personally don't get much of a kick from making fun of them. Especially when I suspect they are just a dumb ass 13 year old kid.

If you think these people aren't serious... why would you take them seriously??

Legitimately, when I see some random ass child calling demon lords their besties and playing around with names, I think, oh haha that's cute.

??

Like cool they're having fun. They OBVIOUSLY do not know what tf they're doing but hey, they will figure it out.

You think the GODS aren't prepared to deal with silly people? You think this is the first time anyone has tried to fuck Apollon? Are you serious?

"Those silly girls summoning Lucifer have no idea!"

You're excited for that outcome. You would love for some teenage girl to be horrified, wouldn't you?

Unfortunately the very likely outcome is that the divine spirit will ignore them or meet them on their own terms. The Gods aren't going to dominate a child or take a edgy teen seriously. Why are you pretending the Gods don't know about amateurs.

People learn and grow, I didn't know jack shit about how to do things properly when I started. Had someone stunted my curiosity and love for what I was growing because it seemed wrong, I would have lost so much of my path. Magic, spirituality, faith, and most of all love, are supposed to be messy. Psychology is messy, none of these things exist in a vacuum. That's the part of the craft I love so much, it's a craft. You build it yourself, but you can only build it for yourself.

Why do you guys care so much about people you believe to be idiots? I personally think many practices are dumb as hell, why would I spend time arguing with those people about how dumb I think they are. Why does their dumb assery even affect me at all???

"Because then people won't take you/us seriously!"

If anyone refuses to take me seriously because of something other people are doing then... I probably don't care about their shallow opinion anyways?? And who is taking me seriously? Whose approval am I supposed to be winning?

"If we let people just do whatever people will think there are no rules!"

Babe people have been doing whatever they want this whole time.

If some dumb ass 15 year old loves Lucifer like a best friend and later grows into a genuine practitioner, that's awesome. And if that same dumb ass continues to be a dumb ass, I will not care. I don't really enjoy making fun of people I consider to be naive. Ignorance is bliss, let them be bliss. I personally don't care about being "taken seriously" by anyone but my Lord.

The comments are always "OMG I KNOW SOME GIRL SERIOUSLY THOUGHT LOKI LOVED HER LIKE OMG GROW UP"

Wow so funny. A lonely person found comfort in a Lord of outcasts. Let's all point and laugh!

I could write a whole paragraph here about how the Gods are always closest to the outcasts but I'm too tired. The person happily collecting stones for their divine spouse knows more about the purpose of Henosis than you ever will. We are only a couple decades free of orthodoxy babes, this is a beautiful time to be a pagan.

"THIS IS RELIGION IT'S SERIOUS ITS NOT A COPING MECHANISM!!"

Little girls who play with dolls are the priests of churches you can never enter son lay down and listen to the music of creation you're so miserable

It's not wrong.

me: okay which one

Belial: *shrugs*

me: *sees a reading for thr 4th time today* is this the one

Belial: *shrugs*

me: omg *watches the reading but it's not the one*

me: *finds another one* is this the one?

Belial: *shrugs*

me: *watches the reading and it seems to tell Belial's story and how he's connected to me*

me: ...was this the reading you wanted me to watch?

Belial: *blinks at me like he doesn't know what I'm talking about*

me: oh my god.

me: put on a love song if yes and put on a song about hate if no

Belial: *puts on Happy by Han Jisung*

me: this is a break up song bro

me: another. give me a love song if you're refusing to answer

Belial: *puts on let's groove*

me: brother in the devil...again

me: put on a love song if the answer is yes, put on a break up song if the answer is no, put on a song about killing someone or something if you're trying to refuse the answer on purpose

Belial: 👍 *puts on Wouldn't you like from Epic*

me: you fucking...ughhhh

and god does it make me so mad and sad bc the implications behind it are so ??????

like to believe that being in a relationship with a god, be it platonic/romantic/sexual, (i never really see familial or teacher/mentor get shit on) is hubris implies that:

-humans are so lowly that the idea of a human being close to a god somehow dirties the god

-platonic relationships are the lowest tier of of relationships. those posts that are like "gods are not your friends" are always saying friends like it's a slur and it makes me so fucking mad. how do you view your friends????

-that sex is dirty, that lust is dirty, and beneath a god to experience esp with a human

-that marriage/romance is a higher tier relationship than familial, platonic, etc

like those posts almost seem to portray their gods with a sneer every fucking time. like it comes off like they think their god is handling them like a dirty dish they don't want to touch. like "sure i GUESS help you with your craft, human, but i don't want to be your friend" "i suppose i'll teach you to love yourself, human, but don't think that means i want to know you" "i'll tolerate hearing about your deepest traumas, human, but don't you dare tell me about your day"

it's sad to view your gods that way and it's maddening to see that rhetoric pushed onto others

like. i want to ask the people who post anti-godspouse posts "have you considered their god just loves them?? have you considered your god just loves you????? do you realise your god does more than tolerate you????? do you understand your god is not holding you like a bug they think is gross, they're not holding you out gingerly pinched between two fingers, they don't run away when they see you, they like you. they want to be close with you. they want to sit with you at the lunch table. they like you. they like you. they like you. okay???"

and sometimes a deity will wanna kiss you about it. and it's fine. it doesn't mean you're better than anyone else. it's just means they fucking like you. bc they don't like you because you're gods favorite princess and the most interesting girl in the world/ref. nothing changes about you when a god loves you. they love you because you are you. because of who you are now. they love you so much they feel it's safe to assume they will love you forever. that what godspousal is. it's different flavors of i love you forever except with a more formal agreement.

okay ? so chill!

If reciprocity is so important to spiritual relationships, why am I seeing so many people who appear to think their needs, their desires, their thoughts and emotional state, their inner experience of themselves... are the center of the universe?

Now sure, these things are important to an extent. We shouldn't ignore or erase ourselves within our relationships.

But let's not take that to an extreme, where we subconsciously treat gods and spirits as existing only to fill our needs, while ignoring theirs.

What about the feelings of a deity?

The emotions of a spirit?

The inner experiences of the incorporeal?

I don't see much curiosity about this unless a deity or spirit's thoughts or emotions happen to benefit a human somehow like, if a god falls in love with a person. THEN they wanna know all about how that deity feels, in relation to them of course.

But what if we were curious about gods and spirits?

Without always making that about us?

What if we offered the gift of genuinely unselfish interest? Showed care by asking how they experience themselves and other things not related to us specifically?

How about asking questions intended to open up conversations? To know them better?

Like maybe...

"What does this particular myth mean to you? Do you like how it portrays you? Why or why not?

When I said or did [a thing], how did you interpret that? What did you think or feel about it? Why did you respond that way?

If you could have anything you wanted right now, what would it be?" Why do you want it? What does it mean to you?

How are you experiencing the things that matter to you right now? Do your domains require cultivation or some sort of regular attention? If so, how would you describe the effort you put into that? etc, etc

How about showing interest in THEM for a change?

I cannot tell you how many times I have done this and (UPG) some god or spirit has been very surprised that I cared enough to enquire how they felt. Sometimes they also get emotional about it. Then we talk about why they feel that way and get to know each other better.

A few things to consider

In my experience, honest, genuine enquiry can deepen relationships amazingly well if it's accompanied by the following things...

sincerely motivated by a desire to know the god or spirit

not about trying to get something (like attention, interest, responses you like) from spiritual entities, or force them into giving answers they don't feel comfortable with

asked with an open mind, willing to hear responses you might dislike or that might clash with your theology, and respecting the god or spirit's right to have thoughts or feelings different from yours, including the possibility that they don't feel comfortable talking about it right then

offered with the promise of confidentiality if the god or spirit desires it, so the god or spirit knows they can say anything and trust you not to blast their private inner experiences all over the internet without their consent

a regular part of your relationship with that deity or spirit, because showing consistent interest shows you genuinely care and are not just mildly curious

Hopefully that offers some ideas for growing reciprocal connections with deities and spirits, for those who wish to deepen spiritual relationships.