#general ba

I was thinking about all the ideas I gave surrounding General Ba and I think they can best be summarized like this.

Never shall I gaze upon a blazing Troy Never would I yield to such a fate, Tell me what you saw beyond that hazy void The one your gift of prophecy creates,

llium: Fire- By Jorge Rivera-Herrans, cover by garageboyomar.

Graves AU

Marshall Liu was never Macaque's biggest fan, but she was Wukong's spouse, and in the Stone Monkey's absence, the title of the Monkey king falls to her.

Upon hearing that the Celestial Realm planned to retaliate on the mountain the generals gather to create a plan. Marshall Liu, who has served the throne from before Wukong was even in it, ask Macaque to hear the future, warn them of what is go come.

She does.

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-Ma and Ba are in fact mates and wives and raised Wukong together after they found him right after he busted out of his stone egg

-Wukong didn't burst out fully grown in this AU, he popped out around a toddler's age

-Ma is a physical fighter and is usually on the front lines with Wukong and Macaque when defending their territory

-Ba is a more sneaky fighter and prefers gathering intel and sneaking up on her targets(assassin mom for the win)

-Ba is much more likely to spoil Wukong while Ma has to play the mean parent and let him know when he's being an idiot

-Ba and Ma have a room set up in their home specifically for Mk to kidnap him to babysit and spoil

-Wukong complains constantly that Ma is so much nicer to his cub than she was to him, and Ma likes to reply "He's cuter than you ever were"

-Macaque still has anxiety about pleasing Ba and Ma even though he and Wukong have been married for centuries because of past trauma.

-Ba and Ma think Macaque's desperate urge to prove to them he's a good mate and King is both adorable and saddening and go out of their way to spoil him any time they can

-One of Ba and Ma's favorite meals is stewed pig demon and when Wukong eventually brings the Pilgrims to his home he has to explain several times to them he did not bring them a meal to fatten up

-Ma is the only being in the world able to suplex Wukong and actually injure him(slightly, but still)

-Ba scares the absolute shit out of Wukong because she doesn't get mad often, but when she does he knows for a fact he's fucked up royally

-Ao Lie lets Mk and Red Son teeth on his horns because they can't hurt them and he thinks it's cute

-Sandy adores the children and takes every moment he can to be on babysitting duty. He's actually sat out of a couple fights so he could hold the tiny things with awe on his face

I DREW THESE SO LONG AGO AND FULLY FORGOT TO POST THEM

Date: 1983 Platform: Board game Developer: Games Workshop Publisher: Games Workshop Genre: Fantasy Theme: Miniature wargame Franchises: Warhammer Also known as: Warhammer Fantasy Battle Adaptation: Inspiration

Summary:

Warhammer takes place on an unnamed planet that bears a striking resemblance to our own Earth, with continents laid out in a similar pattern, though not quite the same shape.

In the background of Warhammer Fantasy, it is mentioned that at one point in time, the nation of Grand Cathay (the setting's Fantasy Counterpart Culture to Imperial China) fell under the rule of the Monkey King, who appointed advisors from the Skaven Clan Eshin and ushered in a period of chaos. While a rare villainous example of the trope, it makes sense when one considers that the original Sun Wukong was seen as an embodiment of chaos, and in the setting of Warhammer the Forces of Chaos are considered the ultimate evil.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warhammer_(game)

Total War: Warhammer III (2022)

Date: February 17, 2022 Platform: Linux mac / OS / Windows Developer: Creative Assembly Publisher: Sega Genre: Fantasy Theme: Turn Based Strategy Franchises: Warhammer / Total War Also known as: Warhammer Fantasy Battle / Total War 3 Adaptation: Inspiration

Summary:

Like its predecessors, Total War: Warhammer III features turn-based strategy and real-time tactics gameplay similar to other games in the Total War series.

In the campaign, players move armies and characters around the map and manage settlements in a turn-based manner. Players engage in diplomacy with, and fight against, AI-controlled factions. When armies meet, they battle in real time. The game has a custom battles mode where players can create customised real-time battles, as well as online multiplayer battles. Those who own races from the first two games have the same races unlocked for multiplayer in the third game; a combined world map, named "Immortal Empires", similar to the "Mortal Empires" campaign in Total War: Warhammer II for owners of the first two games. Immortal Empires released as a Beta on 23 August 2022 with patch 2.0. Like its predecessors, Total War: Warhammer III features turn-based strategy and real-time tactics gameplay similar to other games in the Total War series. In the campaign, players move armies and characters around the map and manage settlements in a turn-based manner. Players engage in diplomacy with, and fight against, AI-controlled factions. When armies meet, they battle in real time. The game has a custom battles mode where players can create customised real-time battles, as well as online multiplayer battles. Those who own races from the first two games have the same races unlocked for multiplayer in the third game; a combined world map, named "Immortal Empires", similar to the "Mortal Empires" campaign in Total War: Warhammer II for owners of the first two games. Immortal Empires released as a Beta on 23 August 2022 with patch 2.0.

The promotional material for Total War: Warhammer III, which sees Cathay undergo significant Adaptation Expansion, reveals that the Monkey King's ascension led to the Dragon Emperor's progeny actually setting aside their differences and uniting against him, only being able to throw him out once their parents returned from a lengthy absence.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_War:_Warhammer_III

Some of our favourite babies in doodle form!

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Google Translate sorry

In your Black Myth: New Gods fanfiction, what gender are the generals Ma, Ba, Beng, and Liu—male or female—and what is their relationship with Wukong?

Thanks for the ask!

Ok, I have to confess: the Journey to the West PDFs I've been reading are the translations recommended by @journeytothewestresearch on their blog.

I’ve only been able to access the Traditional Chinese text by reading the Marshal Ma blog posts by @journeytothewestresearch.

The translations has this to say about their gender:

JTTW Vol 1 - Anthony C. Yu (2012)

"The Monkey King made the four old monkeys mighty commanders of his troops by appointing the two female monkeys with red buttocks as marshals Ma and Liu, and the two bareback gibbons as generals Beng and Ba. The four mighty commanders, moreover, were entrusted with all matters concerning fortification, pitching camps, reward, and punishment."

JTTW - W. J. F. Jenner (1993/2020)

"The Monkey King named the four senior apes as his four Stalwart Generals: he named the two bare−bottomed apes Marshal Ma and Marshal Liu, and called the two gibbons General Beng and General Ba. He entrusted the stockade, questions of discipline and rewards to these four. "

This is the original text provided by @journeytothewestresearch

"猴王將那四個老猴封為健將，將兩個赤尻馬猴喚做馬、流二元帥，兩個通背猿猴喚做崩、芭二將軍。將那安營下寨、賞罰諸事，都付與四健將維持。"

@journeytothewestresearch has a blog post about the lack of gendered language in the original JTTW and the etymological reasons for Yu's mistranslation.

Personally, I think the Four Stalwart Generals use the original pronoun "他 tā" with its original genderless connotation.

The monkeys live in the magical Flower Fruit Mountain, mostly isolated from human society, so they wouldn't be aware of how American/European colonization and imperialism screwed up the one of the few progressive things pre-colonial China had.

Besides, since actual animals are incredibly queer, I think Yaoguai are queer, so trans and nonbinary demons are a thing in my BMNG AU.

I love how Sun Wukong has become a queer icon

I'm going to combining the lore and translations, and say that the Marshals Ma 馬 and Liu 流 are transmasc and Generals Beng 崩 and Ba 芭 are non-binary using he/they.

Since Sun Wukong is a good king who literally calls himself Grandfather 爷爷 to his subjects…