How do you suppose Fred felt about Nancy? Think he had a crush on her or do you think he was gay?
"Number one most desired girl in Hawkins" is a crazy sentence to say out loud to say to Nancy's face and could indicate either, like it might mean he desired her but also that's a very gay way to say that. I only ask because it's messed up either way.
Either he didn't have a crush on Nancy because he was gay and was really just friends with her, which means that Nancy was 0/2 for platonic friendships (not that I think Barb was truly platonic, those girls were either lezzing out in secret under the guise of 'practicing for boys' or desperately desperately wanted to lez out but you know what I mean)
Or he did have a crush on her, which means that at that time Nancy STILL didn't have any actual friends, because her only peers were guys that wanted her romantically, and it's not as if Steve and Jonathan were seeing her regularly even at that, and then also Fred died
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Two things about Nancy’s s5 rant in the hospital that make my blood boil:
She mentions “what happened to Chrissy, Fred, and Max.” So Patrick’s life meant nothing?
She says her vision was “Mom, Dad, Holly, all dead” when in s4 her vision was of her mom, Holly, and Mike. The retcon to make Mike’s life no longer in danger in s5 couldn’t be more obvious.
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hi cosmo my best friend is freaking out about the st trailer.. please give your opinions on why Nancy was crying 😭 who died.. (i have no idea what's happening i was just listening to them ranting about the fandom being annoying)
HEY BABYYY <33 with this ask i have the opportunity to finally debunk the theory that the blood is Jonathan/Steve's and to talk about my gf Nancy YAYY
edit: this turned out to be mostly about Nancy i'm so sorry
edit2: I'M SO SORRY I REPLIED THIS LATE. REALLY.
okay, so, let's start by saying that Nancy's gonna be SOO vulnerable this season. she's accumulated so much stress (and trauma) over the past few seasons that she's never been able to face, or process out loud. the same thing keeps happening to her every season, and she can never get out of it, as if she were being tormented. that's Nancy's main problem.
Nancy has the survivor's guilt.
and that's kinda obvious, i know. just they way she loses Barb is straight-up cruel, but it also follows Nancy's choice to conform. Barb's death scene is heartbreaking (at least imo), it causes discomfort and even an aftertaste of disgust. whether it's towards Nancy, the sex scene, or the brutal death itself, that's for you to figure out. for me the most disturbing part is the thought that this is the direct consequence of Nancy's choice not to face what she really wants and instead hide in Steve's arms (literally and physically) instead. it's the same forced conformity that kills Max, too.
it's not Nancy's fault, but she thinks it is. she thinks it is for four whole seasons, even though she physically manages to take down what actually killed Barb. Nancy's wound has never healed, and it certainly hasn't healed yet in this scene. here, perhaps, it's more open than ever.
but it's given that Nancy couldn't have known what was about to happen to Barb, and she was just a teenager. She still is, in season four. she's 17/18, in s4.
i firmly believe this scene is not about Jonathan, or either Steve. i'm going to delve into this scene in some minutes. cause i wanna yap about Nancy more since i have free rein 😛.
to arrive at this point, i want to start by talking about season 4 Nancy and her regression. cause i don't see many people talking about this, but yeah, in season 4 Nancy regresses for a certain period. of course she does, tbh.
Nancy still hasn't healed from Barb. she's doing a little better because she has as distractions the things she likes or want to do (the Hawkins Post thing in season 3, and the school journal in season 4). but as soon as the news of Chrissy's death gets spread, Nancy gets consumed with worry and immediately springs into action to investigate with Fred, which is basically one of the two Barb "wannabe", this season. as @/gayofthefae said, he exists to retraumatize Nancy.
Fred looks vaguely similar to Barb. he and Nancy share a little bond, since Nancy can talk about him about her problems with Jonathan being in Cali (and mind that Jonathan is not with her this season. it's likely the first time after the start of season 2 that they get separated).
the way Fred gets left alone and then taken by Vecna is the same way Barb gets left behind and taken by the Demogorgon.
Nancy makes the same mistake twice, deciding to do her own thing and leaving the other to their own devices. Nancy's wound reopens, inevitably.
but i've said, however, that this season is composed by two Barb "wannabe". the first is Fred, while the second is...
Robin. the first female friend Nancy ever makes after Barb's death. who is similar to Barb, too. obviously Barb and Robin are not the same person, but they're both sarcastic, both "team" with Nancy (we don't see Barb actively "teaming" with Nancy with the supernatural. however, she "teams" with her by going to Steve's party with her), both are nerds, both are unpopular, both are queer. in the Rebel Robin podcast (which is not considered 100% canon, but either way Barb is queercoded as hell) we find out that Robin and Barb were once friends, and got distant when "Nancy took Barb away from her". Robin knew Barb.
Nancy is stiff and hesitant at first, she's scared to get close to Robin. the fact that she thinks Robin's dating Steve is also a reason, but i think it's very secondary to this. anyway, they eventually get close to the point Nancy can even find comfort from Robin.
(sweetest ronance scene ever if you ask me)
Robin is not a replacement to Barb, but the fondness and closeness start to hit in Nancy's mind. so much so that for the "Pennhurst mission", Nancy dresses Robin up as Barb. like, literally.
as i said, this is not to imply that Robin (or Fred) are Barb's replacements. this is, more than anything, a sign that Nancy hasn't moved on yet, and still sees Barb everywhere she goes, unconsciously looking for her. we have the confirmation in episode 7, in Vecna's vision. she still believes she killed Barb and that she's a slut.
now, remember when i said that Nancy hid in the safety of Steve's (forced conformity) arms while Barb got killed? in season 4 she almost does that again. she becomes vulnerable, she misses Jonathan's support and Steve starts becoming... protective(?) of her. Steve is probably the only person that gives her a sense of normalcy in all of this, right now. and she almost gives in.
but coincidentally, every time they share a tense moment (be it sexual or whatever), they always, ALWAYS, get interrupted. by Robin. by Barb's alter ego. this is like Nancy's reminder that "hey, remember what happened the last time you fell for him? do you remember that time you hid from me and had sex with him and i died? do you remember, Nancy?". that's why i think she regresses with Steve, she becomes stuck. both for Barb and because the things Steve demands from her are not the things Nancy wants for herself. you can see the resentment Nancy has in her eyes while she's with Steve. the cringy "six little nuggets" speech he gives to her later, is the moment where Nancy lets him go. because she doesn't want to get married. she doesn't want to be a housewife. she doesn't want to have thousands of children when she wants to be free and be a journalist. Steve (unintentionally) stands in her way, and it's here that perhaps Nancy rejects the forced conformity that pressures her throughout the series.
Henry doesn't show her only Barb, but also her family dying in front of her. in order: Karen, Holly and Mike. Ted gets no mention, casually.
and this is where the scene in the teaser is leading to. we can safely say that that blood is not Jonathan or Steve's, because Nancy's wearing her episode 1-2 outfit. if they were about to die she would've worn something else, since they probably wouldn't let anyone important die until episode 7 or 8. this scene in the specific is in episode 2, probably at the beginning, even.
Karen gets injured by a demogorgon and Holly probably has already vanished at that point. Nancy's visions are slowly turning true, one after the other. and she's remembering everyone she lost until that moment. in episode one she's even dressed up like Barb. she is still, yet again, haunting her.
now she's washing her hands from the blood, which could be Karen's but also someone else's in the hospital. it's unclear if she actively works as a volunteer or just borrowed the candy striper outfit, later in the episode. her sweater sleeves are soaked in blood, so both assumptions could be correct. i'm more convinced about the highlined one.
and this, ladies and gentlemen and folks, is the new entry to the "not-so-rare shot of Nancy Wheeler trying to wash the guilt away" collection.
this is Nancy not taking it anymore and having a major breakdown. we've never seen her this devastated. this is not only about her mom and her sister. it's about her not being able to save the ones she loves while they all get taken away from her.
wait, you thought i was talking about Mike Wheeler for a second? well, you're right. i am winning so bad this season.
P.S. here we can see she's already wearing the candy striper outfit, and this shot is probably in episode 2, somewhere near to the breakdown scene.
this doesn't have a proper conclusion. this was mostly for Lui, i'm sorry it took me so long. it was originally meant to be longer than this, but whatever ⚰️.
i hope you enjoyed my little rant about my second favorite character of the show <3
finally watched the first 5 minutes and boy do i have some things to say about it. there’s going to be a lot of talk of sa and csa, so if that’s a trigger for you continue scrolling my loves
vecna has always been an allegory for csa and that first five minutes just confirms it, and i just know s5 is going to be a hard watch now that they’re finally going into it
i think it’s always been fairly clear what they were trying to portray through vecna and the mind flayer, but now this season it’s explicitly stated that this is what it means and i’m very curious to see the reasoning for it and how it relates to vecna and his end goal and the story they’ve been telling for the last ten years
from my rewatch we don’t see much of this in season one, which is because the whole premise of this season is finding will, not hugely about what happened to him in his time in the upside down
then we move to season two which is where this really starts to show, i know that we all remember the scene of will telling joyce what happened when the mind flayer got him on the field and just how much it translates as a child telling an adult about sa. will didn’t intend on saying a thing to his mom about what happened, not until he felt like he could, like she would believe him.
the way that he speaks about it mirrors a sa story too too well. will is still there, still in that moment when it happened and then when it happened again on the field. he can’t get away from that moment, can’t get the feeling of it off of his skin. i truly feel like if you took all context away from that scene and showed it to someone who had never seen it before, they would think that’s what will was talking about
season three goes even deeper, it seems that every season they go into this more and more: everything about the scene where flayed billy brings heather to the mind flayer, the way the scene is staged and the script like i distinctly remember watching it for the first time in 2019 and thinking oh my god are they actually gonna have billy do something to her, i think when you watch that scene it’s glaringly obvious what that scene is supposed to emulate. it shows even before this, how when billy is at the pool and his mind is going between the real billy who sees heather trying to help him, and the mind flayer who changes her words to “take me to him”. to the mind flayer, and vecna by extension, heather wants this, and i don’t think i really need to go any further to explain what that aligns with.
the sauna scene also shows this, in the way that billy says “it’s not my fault” and “please believe me”. while the main purpose of the scene is billy telling max that he didn’t want to hurt anybody and that the mind flayer was making him, i feel like that certain choice of wording makes it have a similar undertone to will telling joyce about what happened to him in season two. when you read billy as a queercoded character (which i personally do, but i know not everyone does) it just makes the tie between those two scenes much stronger, and there are a lot more similarities between will and billy but that’s definitely for a separate post
season four then shows us that it wasn’t just an unfortunate two kids who were in the wrong place at the wrong time, there’s a pattern to vecnas behaviour and who he chooses to possess or sacrifice. everybody he specifically targets is a child: will, eleven, billy, chrissy, patrick, max, fred are ALL CHILDREN there isn’t a single adult that is specifically targeted by either him or the mind flayer, which is a detail i think is often overlooked when it comes to this
then you have the fact that the majority of these kids (all of them barring fred) also have familial issues or abuse plotlines which is also very interesting to me and i feel like it can’t just be a coincidence that those already vulnerable sort of kids are the ones that he goes after, which is definitely strange to me considering that vecna did go through a similar situation to the kids that he is targeting and i would love to get an explanation for that. the perpetrators of the abuse these kids were already suffering were right there for the taking, lonnie byers, neil hargrove, chrissy and patrick’s parents, all of their own dr brenners in the same town but no, he went after their victims, the children
vecnas curse follows the pattern of people who have “sinned” in his eyes, and especially given his very shaky logic on that, it was a definite writing choice to make those four people children when they absolutely did not have to be. they could’ve been adults, there could’ve been a mixture of ages but no, they were all kids. they chose kids to be the targeted victims throughout the entire show, which i think displays the csa they intended even when you don’t read into every other detail the way i have
Some art pieces I found featuring the Vecna-4. I know it won't happen but imagine how cool it would be if they form some sort of B-Team to fight Vecna from within. I see everyone terrified except Max who's determined, Max and Patrick constantly arguing while Fred and Chrissy just wanna get out, and the group finding a way to resolve their trauma.
All credit goes to @sdelarts, I highly recommend checking her art out. It's really good!
