If Erebus isnt a shadow like Fuuka says, what is it? I thought being a massive entity of suppressed unconcious thoughts and emotions would define it as a shadow.
I’ve spoken about that multiple times before, but while Shadows can channel demons/deities, Shadows are not the same as Deities.Erebus is a demon (Not a Shadow channeling a demon, but an actual demon), hence he’s not a Shadow.
The matter becomes very obvious when you’re familiar with C.G. Jung’s writings and the equivalent concepts of what Shadows and Deities are in the Persona Series: “Complexes” and “Archetypes”.
A “Complex” is a cluster of feelings, thoughts, emotions and other information that sticks together in association in one’s mind (consciously or unconsciously) and makes up an aspect of the bigger network of one’s personality. Complexes can form, dissolve, split, merge and contain one another.
Shadows are complexes, both in the Persona Universe and in Jung’s writings: They’re clusters of mental information and energy, which are in constant flux.
“Archetypes” are something else, something much bigger. An archetype is a cluster of extremely basic, extremely natural human ideas/assumptions that every person has access to on a certain level. Like every baby knows that the person who feeds it is important (which is part of the mother archetype), or everyone instinctively is afraid of danger (which makes danger, too, an archetype). Archetypes are collective ideas many people, if not all of them, share. While in Jung’s writings archetypes are genetic, in Persona they are mutable, hence why new deities can be born based on the state of society.
Archetypes exist only in the collective unconscious, not in the personal unconscious. However, Complexes (which includes Shadows), often *draw from* and *channel* from Archetypes, making a complex appear to be like a certain archetype. That’s what’s going on with the Shadows in P5: they’re channeling demons and deities, becoming more or less “avatars” of these demons and deities. Hence why they tell you they’re “not really shadows of this place”; their true self, the one the Shadow is channeling, is an archetype, a deity living in the collective unconscious.
Erebus is a demon. He’s a manifestation of basic, collective idea born from tons of people, the same as Izanami, Yaldabaoth, Mikuratana, Chronos, Kagutsuchi (*snicker*) and all these other merry fellows.






