What do you guys think about Himeko's and Asat Pramad's relathionship? I'm so obsessed it made me go a little crazy and try out doing animatics
It's my first time trying the animation docker on Krita or animations in general, this is still a wip I hope to finish some day, but I wanted to post a sneak peek
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Yo after 4.3 and reading isee’s relic set, i got alot of thoughts (this gon be a long one get ready to test that attension span)
Spoiler barrier for 4.3 and the relic set itself
I wont post the relic story/descriptions on here please please please read them yourselves.
We learn alot of about isee this patch and rip elio = isee truthers.
So like the summary of asat pramad backstory is like enroute ( technically his og name ) was a masked fool that grew bored of the traven and went where he could find “world’s end” and where he was uninvited, The Astral Express (AE) . Navigator's Everstride Boots basically confirms this for us. Thus Enroute became Isse. We also get alot of characterization for isee in that relic, alot of us thought isee was this aloof and mysterious personality but nah he was a literal comedian and jester for the AE 💀
The relic set basically tells the story of isee, basically was an uninvited member of the astral express then became an actual nameless. He grew dissatisfied with the worlds that they saved as after they aided them they all fell into chasing elation/desires. (I interprete) but he still held onto hope and continued to aid countless world while still questioning akivili. But then he witnessed the fall of akivili and on a tangent, damn akivili the rizzer of the universe, anyways. He lost all faith in the “world ends” and as I quote from isee himself “Turns out THEY didn't have the answer either. Turns out this path leads to a dead end. What a sick joke. Absolutely sick!”.
After that he continued being a nameless but since dolly was crystallizing, he had picked up the mantle as the navigator. But this was during a time where the AE was in chaos as this was after akivili fell. He basically made a cut-throat death “game” to enfore order in the AE even to the point where only two people were on the AE (most likely isee himself and pom-pom) (I’ll get to pom-pom later). But he did make the AE more peaceful and united so props to isee ig. After an unknown period, he stepped off the AE for some reason. Then he witnessed to rise of nanook on Adlivun see: Navigators Deep Space Mirror. He I think already officially retired by then (?) unsure.
Then somewhere after this he gave the voracity shadow to a young ashveil. Then he became asat pramand we see today.
Also one thing: Isee most likely had a humaniod head - The relic set mentioned that he could drink so it implies he had a mouth and also when akivili fell he literally felt bile in his throat so he had a throat. And his eyes are also stated as he had to wipe away tears when akivili fell and iont think he would be able to use a spyglass/telescope without eyes twin. So yea isee most likely ahd a humaniod head, so what in dick happen between then and now. How did his head become a hand. Did nanook gift that too? Came with the lord ravager gift package?
Onto the more speculative/theory stuff:
I wanna yap about pom-pom as said above. That little creature is so mysterious. One thing that is stated is : pom-pom was most likely around when akivili was a passenger (and so was isee but I’ll get to that). Pom-pom expresses that they miss the previous passengers and even akivili THEMSELVES. But interestingly, pom-pom can only remember up to when imaginae himeko fixed the train after it crash landed on planarcadia a long time ago during the invasion of the demon lord(asat). We dont have an answer for that yet tho nor do I have a single idea why. Another evidence for pom-pom being old asf is when asat as ryusuke compliments pom-pom on their fur and seems VERY friendly with pom. And asat even states that that was a “slip up” on his end. So most likely, pom pom was still the conductor of the AE when isee was a passenger/navigator. So the two people on that train during the “games” isee played was most likely only pom pom and himself. And isee was proven to be a passenger when akivili was still on the AE. Also literally sleepless night.
This leads me to my main thought/theory:
Asat Pramad/Isee is not Aha Themselves But He represents Aha/ is refered to by Aha.
The asat = Aha debate is still going on and imma give my two cents about it.
I do argee he is refered to as aha, his voice/body represents aha in the Anti-destruction alliance video, Kafka’s warning of “dont lose to ‘Aha’” to SW etc etc. But after learning about Asat being Isee and Enroute in the past, him actually being Aha is kinda a paradox cuz Enroute was a masked fool, how the hell would he be a masked fool if Aha didnt exist then? (I mean technically stuff like that has happened b4 so maybe?)
Also isee does kinda represent Aha, being the comedian jokester of the AE cuz masked fool while on the train and actually being very attached to akivili THEMSELVES as he even mourned akivili, not being able to laugh at his own joke after THEIR fall. Isee must’ve also been close enough with akivili that he could question them pretty regularly. Akivili is also shown to be very close to the AE in sleepless night as akivili allowed THEMSELVES to be scolded by pom pom, jokingly calling THEMSELVES “the worst nameless ever” when pom pom listed out all the shite akivili pulled off. So yea Isee is kinda representative of Aha in that way.
But no one really be talking about this piece of evidence of aha/isee. The Nameless Aha's Debt Statement, specifically these entries:
Leviathan Tooth (Qty: 2) - this can be both the actual Aha or Enroute/isee as both have beef with the voracity
Fines levied by the Cosmic Paleontological Conservation Association regarding gastric ulcers in a void song whale, induced by an unauthorized expedition within the creature's stomach - this can be aha but it leans towards isee/enroute more cuz the mf literaly tells the story how he fell into the maw of voracity and he somehow got out by chucking a sun with his buddies into the maw.
Accrued multiple outstanding tabs at "World's End" in the capacity of a Nameless - this is the most interesting one because if the “World’s End” refers to the traven, Aha’s bitchass is banned form there, yea you can say THEY used the nameless name to bypass the ban but thats very unlikely as the masked fools are actually quite competent at recognizing a person even Aha THEMSELVES. This is more likely that it is Enroute/Isee because that man was at that traven for only Nous knows how long and he also wished to see the real “Worlds End”
Half an Astral Express - this is where it gets bullshit, Aha was confirmed to be the one who blew up the goddamn express when THEY were on the express for one year by THEIR dialogue in the Simulated Universe (SU) and sleepless night. This cannot be isee, isee was on the AE for SO MUCH LONGER. And the SU is wayy to accurate to discredit. This must be Aha.
Debtor: Aha
This scrawled signature looks sketchy no matter how you look at it. Is this really from Aha THEMSELF? - This is where the doubt stems from, it is questioned if this is the actual Aha who did all these things
So who does Aha refer to in this readable?
It somehow is the actual aha but it cant be the actual aha. The worlds end traven thing with the blowing up of half of the express directly contradicts eachother. Aha cannot be in the traven but Aha was confirmed to be the one to blow up the AE.
My explanation is: Pom pom is mixing up the nameless Aha of one year AND Isee. Alot of things points to isee and we know he played alot of pranks while on the AE. But the last point must definitely be Aha. (unless isee was just feeling extra masked fool like that day and wanted to bomb the AE) (I mean the masked fools do have a thing for blowing up shit see: sparkle in penacony and sampo too in his ult). But what prompts me to make this claim is that Pom pom gives this to the TB in the present day. That was probably written a long long time ago but that doesnt mean this is fully correct. Pom pom literally states that they cant remember much before himeko repaired the train so I dont think its unlikely that pom pom in their long long ass existence may blend the real nameless Aha with Isee who acted very similarly due to his nature as a masked fool. But this all proves my main theory: isee/enroute is seen as or referred to by Aha just like asat is but is technically not actually Aha. (I also just wanted to analyze this readable lmao)
What does this tell us for the future (4.4)?
We might (Im hoping) get more lore about the AE and isee/asat in patch 4.4. I also want an explanation why pom pom can only remember until imaginae (not the real) himeko repaired the train. Or why asat destoryed/attacked the train when graphia was very young despite his actually really clear attachment to the AE and akivili. See: him as ryusuke being so lively and friendly in the AE, and his constant phrase of “Thank Akivili!” (The hoe’s still attached cmon its been amber eras)
This might also allude to how asat wants to destory the elation/aha. That is to fully awaken the voracity to consume elation and therefore “aftertaste” back. There can be something said that, after his (asat when enroute) own encounter with voracity, he lost his own elation stating “elation has been dead for a long time”. After he lost his own elation, he went to the AE and trailblaze, lost his belief in that too fully after akivili fell. Then Isee was ‘destoryed’ and became asat pramad, now one of the highest forms of destruction being a lord ravager. Im guessing asat is trying to make aha experience the same voracity experience as him for Aha to lose their elation. Because he knows, that one of the few ways to kill an aeon is to make them deviate form THEIR path. He has felt the loss of two paths himself, thats enough to prove that it can work, why not kill an aeon that same way?
So that he makes himself be a thematic parallel for Aha THEMSELVES.
Anyways Im just yapping and stupid so I might be wrong. (this took me so long to write)
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