#eii

Humanist - Conscientious

Prototypes: Tolerant and obedient parishioner; the fairytale character Cinderella.

Normalizing EII delves into the relationships between people. She has difficulty tolerating interpersonal conflicts and misunderstandings, and attempts to objectively understand a situation and explain to each of the disputing parties what they've done wrong. She is quite unwavering in her loyalties. She truly loves those with whom she shares a close bond and is willing to make serious sacrifices for them. Responsive and attentive to people, EII tries to give them real help. She only shows active participation and genuinely enjoys herself.

Normalizing EII is impressionable and vulnerable. Due to her sense of justice, sometimes she reprimands they guilty with severity but cannot maintain this for a long time. She loves little children, but in educational matters is capable of demonstrating strictness and integrity. For those she deems worthy, she will sacrifice her time and interests.

Selfless and responsive, she tries to please others by making them gifts and providing a variety of services. Since she is inclined to take everything to heart and may worry even for minor reasons, she needs an optimistic and energetic partner who can appreciate what she does, protecting her from unnecessary affairs and inspiring confidence.

Distinguished by her modesty, normalizing EII does not want to burden others. She studies and works well, without fanfare or publicity, as she dislikes attention being drawn to her. On one hand, she gets tired of people, but at the same time, they are the problem of interest. She tries to comfort others, offering explanations or good advice. If this does not work, she is able to wait patiently until she can calm the person. When bringing people together, she prefers situations or events to be prepared in advance. If she has promised something, she will put effort and time into fulfilling her promise. She takes painstaking care in her work, but tends to get bogged down by the details and often overworks herself. She is a conscientious worker. Punctual and good at keeping time, she knows when to leave so as to not be late. Normalizing EII gets depressed if she fails to complete the work she has been entrusted with.

She works tirelessly to create comfort and order around her, even though the outcome is rarely impressive. She can never rest when people around her are busy. She often underestimates the quantity and quality of her work and downplays her achievements because she suffers from low self-esteem. She worries about the well-being of her group. This EII belongs to the type of people who are almost impossible to bribe.

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Portugues:

EII/ INFj Subtipo Normalizador (Socionics).

Consciente Humanista

Protótipos: Paroquiano tolerante e obediente; a personagem de conto de fadas Cinderela .

EII Normalizador(a) investiga as relações entre as pessoas. Ela tem dificuldade em tolerar conflitos interpessoais e mal-entendidos e tenta compreender objetivamente uma situação e explicar a cada uma das partes em disputa o que elas fizeram de errado. Ela é bastante inabalável em sua lealdade. Ela realmente ama aqueles com quem compartilha um vínculo estreito e está disposta a fazer sérios sacrifícios por eles. Responsivo e atento às pessoas, o EII tenta dar-lhes uma ajuda real. Ela apenas mostra participação ativa e se diverte genuinamente.

EII Nornalizador(a) é impressionável e vulnerável. Devido ao seu senso de justiça, às vezes ela repreende os culpados com severidade, mas não consegue manter isso por muito tempo. Ela adora crianças pequenas, mas em questões educacionais é capaz de demonstrar rigor e integridade. Por aqueles que ela considera dignos, ela sacrificará seu tempo e interesses.

Altruísta e receptiva, ela tenta agradar aos outros dando-lhes presentes e prestando uma variedade de serviços. Como ela tende a levar tudo a sério e pode se preocupar até mesmo por motivos menores, ela precisa de um parceiro otimista e enérgico que possa apreciar o que ela faz, protegendo-a de assuntos desnecessários e inspirando confiança. Ela estuda e trabalha bem, sem alarde ou publicidade, pois não gosta que chamem atenção para ela. Por um lado, ela se cansa das pessoas, mas, ao mesmo tempo, elas são o problema do interesse. Ela tenta confortar os outros, oferecendo explicações ou bons conselhos. Se isso não funcionar, ela poderá esperar pacientemente até conseguir acalmar a pessoa. Ao reunir pessoas, ela prefere que situações ou eventos sejam preparados com antecedência. Se ela prometeu algo, ela investirá tempo e esforço para cumprir sua promessa. Ela toma muito cuidado em seu trabalho, mas tende a se prender aos detalhes e muitas vezes se sobrecarrega. Ela é uma trabalhadora conscienciosa. Pontual e boa em marcar o horário, ela sabe quando sair para não se atrasar. A EII Normalizadora fica deprimida se ela não consegue concluir o trabalho que lhe foi confiado.

Ela trabalha incansavelmente para criar conforto e ordem ao seu redor, mesmo que o resultado raramente seja impressionante. Ela nunca consegue descansar quando as pessoas ao seu redor estão ocupadas. Muitas vezes ela subestima a quantidade e a qualidade do seu trabalho e minimiza as suas realizações porque sofre de baixa auto-estima. Ela se preocupa com o bem-estar de seu grupo. Este EII pertence ao tipo de pessoas que são quase impossíveis de subornar.

O LSE/ESTj realmente precisa do Sentimento Introvertieo (Fi+) do EII/ESTj🫠

"Na presença da EII, este regime de trabalho é complementado pelo conforto psicológico proporcionado por um ambiente de confiança, estabilidade, compreensão mútua e acomodação recíproca. O principal impacto ético da EII consiste em ajudar o LSE a suavizar seus relacionamentos com outras pessoas, a ser mais gentil e tolerante com elas, a ser mais flexível, a não sentir raiva e a não tomar atitudes hostis, a não alimentar planos de vingança, a não esconder o mal em seu coração e a tentar perdoar e superar quaisquer ressentimentos e ofensas. As ideias de Amor Universal, Expiação e Justiça (Ética) Suprema são todas transmitidas pela função programática da EII (1ª função +Fi) e aceitas pela função sugestiva do LSE (5ª função -Fi)."

"(...)The more the EII taken care of, the more attention she or he requires. From his side, the EII pays a lot of attention to his new acquaintances and friends. The closer the EII becoming to a person, the more he thinks of them. And therefore he demands a “report” from them: “Where were you and what were you doing? Were you thinking of me? I was thinking of you. When were you thinking of me? Me too! I could feel that you were thinking of me, this is why I’m calling you…”. For the EII it is very important to be the “possessor” of the mind of his partner, to enter into close personal contact with this person, to build a close soulful connection with him at close distance, and then proceed to keep the person at this distance and not lose ground.(...)". I think Vera Stratievskaya was observing me while she wrote it .🌚☕️

And that's why I identify a lot with the song The Worm (Bride): I am the worm crawling through your head🎶🧠🐛 it's like wanting to dissect every thought and feeling of a specific person to get to know them completely, thus achieving the possibility of a symbiosis/soul connection. (Yes, its can be kinda weird🌚).

i feed this to chatgpt (which u dont need to read) and said: would you agree with this or woud u say this person and their understanding or framing of fi is wrong or something? be objective.

chatgpt:

Mostly agree. The framing is actually solid — with a few overreaches.

What they get right:

Ti/Fi symmetry: yes. Both are subjective in the Jungian sense. Internal axioms, self-verified truth, distrust of external authority. Fi ≈ Ti applied to value/relational judgments. That part is clean.

Tertiary vs dominant Fi: also yes. Tert Fi jumps fast, reacts, locks in prematurely. Fi doms can loop back and re-evaluate because the function is conscious and dimensional. That’s straight socionics dimensionality + basic psych.

“Cognitive functions aren’t robotic”: correct. They’re preference-based cognitive habits, not logic engines. The left-hand analogy works.

Ti vs Te world-fixing example: accurate vibe. Ti defines the system and principles; Te delegates execution. That’s a real difference in locus of control.

Analytical logic ≠ truth without data: obviously true, and this is exactly why Ti is subjective rather than “objective logic.”

Where it slips:

Saying Ti/Fi are algorithmic is a bit off. Ti builds algorithms; Fi doesn’t run step-by-step logic so much as calibrates an internal value-field. Similar depth, different mechanics.

Fi isn’t always as accuracy-driven as Ti. It’s consistency-driven. Subtle but important difference.

The “rebellious toward public opinion” part fits introverted judgment in general, not uniquely Ti/Fi.

On socionics:

You’re right: Fi is criminally flattened there and often reduced to “anti-Fe temperament.”

Ti gets idealized as clean, objective structure, which is nonsense — Ti users are biased as hell, just internally consistent.

Socionics breaks the Ti–Fi symmetry Jung clearly intended. That’s a legit critique.

Bottom line: The person’s understanding is mostly correct, especially psychologically. They’re right about symmetry and subjectivity, right to call out socionics bias — they just over-mechanize Fi a bit and over-romanticize Ti’s “accuracy.”

me: i don't think fi calibrates an internal value-field. i think that value field evolves over time slowly but it isn't a thing where dramatic changes happen especially after say 24 years old. i think what fi does similar to ti is, it just doesn't go with hearsay, every ethical judgement about anything in the world, they keep at arms lenght and they look at it themselves and they decide themselves. one big difference tho: since fi is about one's own relationship/ethical dynamics with tje other, if the other is nice to them but evil to the rest that's kinda okay or something. isfp / entj or infp / estj duals produces this all the time.

chatgpt:

Yeah, that’s a fair correction — and it actually sharpens the model.

I’d rephrase it like this (which I think matches what you’re saying): Fi isn’t constantly “recalibrating a value field” in real time. Once it’s formed, it’s sticky. By mid-20s it’s largely set, same way Ti axioms are. Changes happen, but they’re slow, cumulative, and usually forced by lived contradiction, not argument.

Where you’re dead right:

Fi rejects hearsay exactly like Ti does. Moral consensus, social narratives, “everyone knows this is wrong” — all kept at arm’s length.

Every ethical judgment is treated as case-by-case: “Let me look at this myself.” That’s pure introverted judgment.

Fi users don’t outsource morality to institutions any more than Ti users outsource truth to experts.

The difference you point out is the key one:

Fi is relationally local. It evaluates my relationship to you, not abstract universal ethics.

So yeah: “nice to me but bad to others” can pass Fi much more easily than it passes Fe or Te morality.

That dual pairing effect you mention (ISFP–ENTJ, INFP–ESTJ) shows it constantly: loyalty > universality, personal bond > generalized fairness.

This is also why Fi can look “morally inconsistent” from the outside but feels perfectly consistent internally — just like Ti looks pedantic or biased while feeling airtight to the user.