the doomsday speech: a tale of two conversations - 2026 special edition
doomsday discourse in 2026? kinda! this is a rewrite of a post from 2021 that i have slightly different opinions on but is largely something i stand by.
we're still starting with the famous 'i'm a person' line because so many people point to the 'you are' as c!tommy acknowledging and understanding c!techno. but this just isn't the case. or rather, he's doing the bare minimum of agreeing that techno is a person before immediately showing that he doesn't actually consider techno on the same level or at least not worth listening to. i'll touch on this again later
in the moments before, c!tommy was telling c!techno to listen to him to which techno says that he 'listened to [tommy] for weeks' ) and that tommy went back 'to the guy that exiled [him]'. then tommy says that techno was his friend prompting techno to say that 'you never saw me as a friend'.
tommy: people are above the government!
techno: i'm a person!
tommy: you are, techno! and so are we! the discs-- the reason the discs-- is because they were stolen from me. nothing is taken from you here.
techno (crosstalk): discs aren't people!
tommy: technoblade, nothing was taken from you here. you're selfish! you destroy what people love.
techno (crosstalk): *makes a noise of disgust* Oh my god.
you get what i'm saying, right?
yes, after techno says he's a person, tommy agrees and says they're people as well. he then goes to mention the discs which prompts techno's outburst of 'discs aren't people' but my issue isn't solely with tommy mentioning the discs*.
the issue is the line that comes after - 'nothing was taken from you here' - and the fact that tommy doesn't find techno's complaints and feelings worth hearing and had no idea what techno's motivation for doomsday even was.
techno has said that doomsday was mostly personal, a revenge thing, and wasn't the best example of anarchism. but with that line you can see there's a disconnect between what techno's actual motivations are and what tommy assumes his actions are.
tommy seems to believe that l'manberg didn't interfere with techno (clip found: here) and therefore techno had no reason to react to it but it did.
i am here to say techno's response wasn't that out of proportion given everything that had happened and what he knew because from his perspective, it was the only to stop anything else from happening to him or his friends. and that it was justified (and the narrative agrees with him in the end!), but i'm only going to talk about this particular speech in this post. and what tommy is saying is untrue. he's not lying when he says it didn't interfere with techno. he doesn't know because when techno tried to tell him, tommy didn't really listen and certainly doesn't seem to grasp how serious this was for techno. (one clip found here.) he even admits later that he didn't know techno had been executed.
and this is what i mean about there being two conversations. tommy seems to believe that techno is doing this because he hates the government only on principle and that this is something for self gain.
tommy: you destroy what people love--
techno (crosstalk): *makes a noise of disgust* Oh my god.
tommy: for self gain. you're selfish!
phil: and you're not?
techno: all these problems are because of your government. your government has caused all these issues.
and i can see why he thinks that.* if he doesn't know the real reason behind it, what techno is saying here would make it seem like that. the problem is, techno tried to tell him. tommy talked over techno in almost every instance where techno attempted to tell him. and you can hear the frustration in techno's voice upon realizing that tommy still hasn't heard what he's saying in the doomsday speech.
*loyal from the future: i'm leaving this part in because it's more fair to c!tommy but i'm gonna be honest here, folks. five years in the future and i actually don't get it. i don't know what tommy thinks techno has to gain, personally, other than like. not being executed without a trial or reason? sure, he doesn't know about the execution because he didn't listen but even beyond that, what does techno have to gain? unless tommy is under the assumption that everyone wants power which does honestly make sense after c!wilbur but you can understand why this is so frustrating to techno! tommy isn't listening and projecting his own beliefs onto techno.
now, i'm not saying techno communicated perfectly while they were working together. he didn't. techno avoided certain topics, assuming everything would work out later, which led to both of them being on very different pages. he heard what tommy said and ignored the parts that didn't line up with what he wanted, in big part because a huge flaw of c!techno is thinking the best of people and believing things will work out to the point of willfully ignoring obvious facts.
the point i'm making here is that not all of the blame can be placed on techno. tommy is not listening to him.
throughout the speech, tommy doesn't listen to (or ignores) the moments when techno tries to explain and brings it back to himself and the discs.
techno: don't speak to me of loyalty!
tommy: you were my friend and you betrayed us.
techno: you never thought of me as a friend.
tommy: the thing about this government is that- it was- it didn't interfere with you!
techno (crosstalk): yes it did!
tommy: [unintelligible] this interfered with us. these [the discs] were stolen by dream. [he says something else but techno talks over him]
techno: i don't care about discs! i care about freedom!
you can truly see how they're not having the same conversation. tommy doesn't know that it did, in fact, interfere with and harm not only techno but phil as well. he's approaching it as if techno betrayed him and partook in doomsday for some sort of self gain or as a way to specifically hurt tommy and take away something he cared for. tommy thinks doomsday, for techno, is about tommy. but doomsday, for techno, is about the government and what it did to him and his friends. doomsday was for a personal reason and for revenge on top of the ideological reasons but it wasn't directed at tommy. and tommy thinks it was.
techno: we can't have freedom with the government!
tommy (crosstalk): -- the government. you have your own freedom, just let people love what they love, man.
techno: *speaking lower* tommy--
tommy (crosstalk): you're selfish, techno!
techno: i used to think like that, tommy. you know what they did to me?
tommy: you're selfish
techno: *raises his voice again* they hunted me down, the whole butcher army, and they executed me! i tried being peaceful, tommy! the government made it clear-
tommy: you didn't have to do this.
techno: i did! the government made it clear that we could not coexist.
the biggest issue with this speech is how roundabout it goes. tommy says that the government didn't harm techno, techno says that it did, tommy calls techno selfish for doing this, techno says he had no other choice, tommy says that the government didn't harm him.
and i will gladly put half of the bedrock bros era communication issues onto techno, though i do think that neither of them treated each other well and i do think tommy not listening to what techno said added to the problems.
but in this speech, in this moment, tommy isn't listening. he's not even considering what techno is trying to tell him. and this is a pattern. tommy is under no obligation to agree with techno, he is under no obligation to accept techno's reasons, but i do think it's.... hypocritical to say that techno was his friend and that he betrayed them when he won't even listen to techno when he's trying to tell tommy that he was hurt by the thing that tommy loves. and no, tommy isn't obligated to listen, either, but then he's not techno's friend and can't use that against techno.
and this is where i'm going to veer off strongly from my original post.
i still believe that techno doesn't literally think tommy doesn't see him as a person. i do think techno felt used as a weapon but the main issue was that he felt that tommy didn't see him as a friend while techno did. but there is some dehumanization that's probably sticking with techno and rightfully so after the butcher army and while tommy didn't have anything to do with that, it's got to hurt to realize the guy you thought of as a friend won't even listen to you. and, here's where i get controversial, i think techno has a point. it's weird that tommy keeps ignoring techno's points. it feels like him brushing off anything techno has to say (and like, yes, techno did ignore things tommy said in hopes that things would work out) and you don't really do that to someone you think of as worth the effort to hear out.
and it's right there, in everything techno says:
tommy: you were our friend
techno: [finishes berating sapnap for shooting him and ripping him off] okay, sorry, we're back, tommy
tommy: you were our friend and you know what-- i thought friendship.
techno (crosstalk): tommy, you never thought of me as a friend tommy.
tommy (also overlapping): please for once in your life, listen to me
fundy: *laughing loudly in the background*
techno: i listened to you for weeks! what did you do?
fundy: yes!
techno: you went back to tubbo, to the guy that exiled you. who chose his country over you.
the whole build up to the 'i'm a person' line hinges on the fact that techno believes that tommy never considered him a friend or worth listening to and understanding. multiple times, techno comes back to that point and it's very clear why he feels that way. he's trying to explain his motivations and being misunderstood. he's trying to explain he was hurt and is being told he wasn't. that's not something you do to someone if you think they're worth listening to and definitely not if someone is your friend. tommy doesn't and when he finally does acknowledge what was done to techno, that's where we get into the whole 'actions have consequences' bit which is a wild thing to say to what techno has explained happened to him. especially when tommy spent so much time in this conversation denying techno's complaints which were actually the consequences of the butcher army's unjust actions.
i'm not going to go into that in-depth but i will say that there is a cycle of violence on the server and yes, doomsday was a part of that. so was the butcher army. both things were reactions to something else though my personal opinion is that the butcher army was fully in the wrong given their own stated reasons for doing what they did.
i suppose the 'tl;dr' of this post is that both tommy and techno were having completely different conversations and that tommy not listening to techno is what prompted techno to feel that tommy never saw him as a friend or even as a person worth hearing. and in this situation, in this moment, techno is right to think that.
* for the record, the discs were mentioned four times by tommy and twice by techno in response to what tommy was saying. i might have missed something because i started to loose focus but. it kind of goes to my point about them having different conversations.
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yes the appeal of cwilbur is how his limbo was so long and how that changed him so greatly, but I think the inverse of that could be fascinating. Wilbur wakes up and no time at all has passed, he's still just as horribly out of place in this new world and he wields no social power despite how desperately he tries. Like where does his suicidiality go? His death was supposed to be the end of the chaos, he was the last thing that needed to be removed before peace could be achieved. What happens when hes back with a second chance and the world is worse than ever?
Been watching some old Technoblade VOD's(mostly DSMP ones), and Techno mentioned once ((when he was talking to Phil about building his house)) that he initially wanted to build a big mansion type thing so he could fit all his fanart and stuff, but then he said he remembered how in the Antarctic Empire he had that huge base and then only used a single room consistently, so he chose a cabin instead.
I now headcanon that Technoblade doesn't like big open houses, especially when he's alone, because they feel lonely and cold to him. :)
And also that's why he likes living with people and animals.
You know, I once read a fic simply because the character was getting some good therapy despite not even knowing what fandom/game/show he was from and I just need to say I need to see more fics of that. TvT
Especially ones where the character doesn't think they need therapy, or just doesn't wanna be there.
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Hello, I'm relatively new to the DSMP. It and its history has fascinated and sucked me in (how on earth that happened idk I'm so late). The story, the media, even the messiness of it all has activated the demons inside me and I must devour analyses of all sorts. I absolutely love reading all that you have on your blog, going through others old blog posts on tumblr, hearing all the different opinions on everything etc. Could you perhaps recommend some good places/ways to look for more of such?
Welcome! Hope you enjoy the remnants of the old world. I still do from time to time lol
I'm sure you've already found their posts, but I'd highly recommend old analysis and metas written by @/quicksandblock, @/zeta-in-de-walls, @/kateis-cakeis, @/lasnevadaslaborunion, as well as old video essays made by @/lucemferto around the messy narrative decay of the series. They're my personal favorites.
There's even more I can think of off the top of my head that I enjoy, but another great resource is this blog: The DSMP Analysis Archive.
Pretty much every kind of analysis post and meta you can think of, sourced from a wide variety of opinions, with all of the original posters' urls attached. Most of them still have their old posts up if you'd like to dive through their works through their own personal blog archives.
The best part about beeduo is how unhealthy they are. Like these boys are NOT socialised, they’re in an active war zone and playing at domesticity with the same whiplash as post ww2 American families trying to gain a sense of normality, chasing that first era of L’Manberg even though it’s long gone, playing at presidents and family and farming.
All this is to say if beeduo were normal they’d be a one night stand. And instead we got the President and the minutes man getting married in order to adopt a child and then lived domestically sharing a bed while slowly crushing on each other and never sharing a single vulnerable thought ever. Infallible trust based on vibes and vibes alone can someone come do that to me
IF I SEE ONE MORE POST CLAIMING THE SNAKE MONOLOGUE WAS C!DREAM LYING TO HIMSELF OR PLAYING THE VICTIM I'M GENUINELY GOING TO SNAP.
That would be a perfectly valid interpretation if it was not CONFIRMED OTHERWISE BY CC!DREAM.
READ THE WIKI!!!! PLEASE!!! IT IS OPENLY STATED IN THE WIKI THAT C!DREAM'S MOTIVATIONS ARE THE CLOSEST TO C!TECHNO'S AND THE SOURCE IS CC!DREAM HIMSELF.
c!Techno is not a power hungry monster lying to himself he genuinely believes what he's doing will create the best world for others and he would protect his friends to his dying breath. Out of EVERYONE, c!Dream has the closest motivation to him, not Schlatt or Quackity or Sam or any other power hungry character.
You are supposed to interpret the snake monologue as sincere. The entire point of the snake monologue is that it is sincere. You are meant to be sympathizing with c!Dream during the snake monologue, or at least learning more about him.
And you don't have to justify everything c!Dream does because he has a reason! That's not the point! Everyone has a reason for everything they do. c!Dream is delusional. Delusional people are delusional because they sincerely believe that something is real. Just because you don't think his behavior is the most logical or correct doesn't mean he doesn't think it is and doesn't mean you can't hold him responsible for what he did under those beliefs. It just means that he had a perspective you and the other characters didn't have because that's how people work.
