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I am trying to enter the void state using a hypnagogic state (or by putting my body to sleep while keeping my mind awake -I’m not really sure about the difference between these two-). I read your other posts on this topic and thank you for your guidance. My question is, while trying to enter the void state with this method, aren’t we actually entering the delta state? Honestly, it’s really hard to stay awake while entering delta. Some people say the mind enters delta to reach the void state. I hope I was able to explain this clearly.
Briefly
To enter the void state = to reach delta with awareness in both mind and body?
Or
To reach the void state = the body reaches delta, but the mind stays in theta?
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I’m glad you found my posts useful so far
there’s a difference between the hypnagogic, delta and theta state:
hypnagogia —> you enter it as you’re about to fall asleep, it is an alternate state of consciousness that can help you enter the void as you’re still semi-aware
delta —> it is a state of deep sleep that occurs before rem sleep and you don’t have any conscious experience. it’s the sleep that if you accidentally wake up from you’re disoriented without any recollection of your dreams. you can’t reach the void while in delta state, but can after during rem sleep
theta —> it’s the first state of sleep after the hypnagogic state. it’s a state of light sleep and deep relaxation, linked to creativity and meditation. you’re between wakefulness and deeper sleep, awareness fades but it’s not completely gone. you can enter the void here as well
the stages of sleep are:
—hypnagogia - you’re transitioning from being awake to being asleep
—stage n1 (light sleep/transition) - your brain releases mostly theta waves. you’re semi-aware. this stage only lasts a few minutes
—stage n2 (light sleep) - your brain releases theta waves, sleep spindles and k-complexes. this stage lasts for about 45-55% of total sleep
—stage n3 (deep sleep/delta sleep/slow-wave sleep) - here your brain releases delta waves. you’re totally knocked out and hard to wake up from as you’re in a state of non-consciousness/awareness as it’s the state where your body and mind heals
—rem sleep (rapid eye movement) - the brainwaves your brain releases here are similar to the ones it releases when you wake up. here you experience vivid dreams and lucid dreaming
you experience those 4 stages (hypnagogia not included) multiple times during the night. each cycle lasts for about 90 minutes
to reach the void: hypnagogic state, stage n1 (theta), rem sleep, immediately after waking up
can you enter the void/lucid dream during stage n2? yes, but it’s a tiny bit harder:
—it’s a transitional stage — lucid dreaming usually starts in rem, but you pass through stage n2 on the way
—when to use: during WILD (wake-initiated lucid dreaming) attempts (when you intentionally wake yourself up during this stage), if you stay aware through stage n2, you can “wake up” directly inside a dream where you can become lucid or enter the void directly
—stage n2 also plays a role in nap-based lucid dreaming or nap-based shifting or void state, where you skip n3 and go straight from stage n2 into rem
—also called the “wake back to bed” method (wbtb)
hope it’s easy to understand!! I think I’ll make a more in depth guide on this. good luck 🫶🏻
I meditated to this today and really sank into the void. It got me thinking about life in the abstract and I observed an interesting conflict between the brain and gut. When I think with my brain first, it says yes. When I think with my gut second, it says no. When I think with my gut first, it says no. When I think with my brain second, it says yes. Which one should I listen to?
Hi daisy, does inducing a specific brainwave help in manifesting faster?
Yes! It's not necessary but some of those "brainwaves" help you to get in a state where your logical side of the brain shuts down and your subconscious takes over - which helps you be really in tune with what you're affirming and visualizing and it also helps you to detach from the 3D. I hope my explanation makes sense.
The posts I linked in this post make it pretty clear I think. Idk if they were hard to understand but I can try to summarize it for you.
As you can see here in the graphic below there are 6 types of brainwaves. Those are the waves your brain naturally sends out when you're in the respective state (described in the pic).
If you listen to those types of waves (through binaural beats in yt) you kinda manipulate your brain into getting into a certain state.
For now, you can ignore the beta and gamma waves. For manifesting and shifting, usually only alpha waves, theta waves, delta waves and epsilon waves are talked about as they help with relaxation/detachment/reduced consciousness.
From what was said in the other two posts:
Theta and alpha waves seem the best for manifesting.
Delta waves the best for entering the void state.
Epsilon waves the best for shifting realities.
But of course everyone is different and they may work differently on you.
The anon in this post also described their method or rather how they use those waves for manifesting/entering the void and for shifting:
Sitting down comfortable.
Lighting up a candle in front of you.
Putting on the specific waves you want to listen to.
Breathing deeply in and out and calming down.
Focusing on the flame.
Starting affirming when you reached a trance like state.
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Morgan O. Smith’s meditation EEG revealed something rare even among the world’s most advanced practitioners:
Delta brainwaves — usually dominant only during deep sleep — made up 85% of his total EEG power while he remained fully awake and meditating.
In global studies of seasoned meditators (Vipassana, Zen, Tibetan, TM), meditation typically increases alpha and theta rhythms — not delta.
Most expert meditators show moderate alpha-theta dominance, reflecting relaxed but alert awareness.
Morgan’s brain, however, bypassed alpha and theta, entering a profoundly quiet state resembling conscious deep sleep — a phenomenon called “waking delta.”
This suggests he reached a state far deeper than ordinary meditative absorption — closer to transcendental silence where external sensory input is almost fully shut down, yet a core awareness remains.
Few studies document this level of delta dominance in meditation, highlighting the extraordinary depth of Morgan’s 22 years of practice.
His case expands the scientific understanding of what human consciousness can achieve through long-term meditation.
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Footnotes
¹ In standard meditation EEG studies, alpha (8–13 Hz) and theta (4–8 Hz) typically rise during eyes-closed meditation, while delta remains low unless drowsiness or sleep occurs [Lutz et al., 2004; Cahn & Polich, 2006].
² Delta dominance (~85% power) during wakefulness is extremely rare and suggests profound internal absorption, matching theoretical descriptions of “witnessing deep sleep” or “nirvikalpa samadhi” [Travis & Pearson, 2000; Josipovic, 2014].
³ Traditional mindfulness, Zen, and Vipassana practitioners show higher frontal theta and parietal alpha, but delta generally stays minimal during focused, aware meditation [Cahn et al., 2010].
⁴ Conscious delta states (high delta with maintained wakefulness) have been proposed as a unique neurological signature of the deepest transcendent meditation experiences [Wallace, 1999; Travis et al., 2009].
Your brain creates simple electricity through an electrochemical process measured in the form of brainwaves. Brainwaves occur at different frequencies depending on what the brain is doing.
Brainwave activity occurs on a continuum from slow to fast wave frequencies. For measurement, these brainwave frequencies are separated into five categories based on their repetitions per second (Hz) or cycles per second (cps). The brainwave frequency bands used for clinical purposes are:
Delta. These brain waves are the slowest brainwaves and are present primarily during sleep or when in a non-aroused state. They should not be excessive during an awake state. If seen in an awake state, theses waves may suggest issues related to depression, closed-head injury and learning disorders.
Theta. Theta waves are present when we are daydreaming or fantasizing and are commonly associated with creativity and intuition. Interestingly, the lower range of Theta waves are present during the time between waking and sleep when we are feeling very calm, serene and in drifty states. Higher range of Theta brainwaves are commonly found when we are engaging in complex, inwardly-focused problem solving – like doing math problems in our head. People in a deep meditative or hypnotic state will also have high frequency Theta waves. A presence of excessive Theta waves during a normal awake state could reflect problems with focus and attention, head injuries, and learning disorders. Children and adults with ADHD will produce excessively lower frequency Theta waves.
Alpha. These brainwaves are associated with a state of relaxation. Alpha waves will occur when our brains shift into a relaxed and disengaged or idle state. By closing our eyes and picturing something peaceful, we will quickly increase our Alpha brainwaves. Excessive frontal Alpha activity is often associated with adult ADD/ADHD and depression.
Beta. Beta waves are present when we are in a state of mental or intellectual activity and outward focus, like when we are thinking, problem-solving, processing information or feeling anxious. However, people with excessively high Beta activity may have conditions such as anxiety, obsessive-compulsive disorder, irritability, agitation, insomnia, bipolar tendencies, and substance abuse.
Gamma. Gamma waves are the fastest measured brainwaves and are considered essential for information and sensory-binding and are present during cognitive thought when the brain is processing and linking information from all parts of the brain. High amounts of Gamma brainwave activity is often associated with high levels of intelligence, enhanced memory, compassion and natural feelings of contentment. A deficiency in Gamma brainwaves is often seen in individuals with learning difficulties, diminished mental processing and cognitive decline.
At any given time, everyone has a mix of these brainwaves present in different parts of the brain. The important factor for psychologists is to make sure the brainwave activity is appropriate for the emotional state or cognitive function.
