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Crimes of Grindelwald:

Callum Turner: I play Theseus, who is Newt's older brother, even though I'm younger than Eddie, which is interesting! He's kind of the opposite of Newt. He's gone through the same schooling obviously, but once he got out he decided that the establishment was the way to fight the good fight. Theseus is or may be quite more rigid or just part of the establishment. You know, he's the head Auror at the Ministry.

Yeah, I mean, he's the opposite to Newt. I guess he's more rigid, and he's conformed to the way that people want you to … he's become one of them I guess, and he went to Hogwarts. He was taught by Dumbledore. He’s from that school, and he became this, which you can take...

- Collider

What are Theseus’s thoughts about the creatures? What are his relationships with them?

Callum Turner: Yeah, I think he has bigger fish to fry and it’s his little brother’s thing. That’s his sort of looking down on his brother.

- Collider

Callum Turner: He'd been educated at Hogwarts underneath Dumbledore the same way Newt had, but for some reason he'd separated and it always felt unnatural that Theseus had become part of the establishment when his natural instinct would probably not to be that, but like Newt, you know, they are brothers. There's a similarity. But he's somehow like closed that bit off and he's gone that way and he's gone really high up into the Ministry of Magic and pretty much runs it and that's how he decides to fight the good fight. As Newt is part of the rebellion so I look at it, and Theseus is part of the establishment, and that's the kind of main difference between two brothers. Apart from that, very similar.

- ChicagoSciFi

Eddie Redmayne: I'll never forget. I don't know if you ever saw it. I saw an early version of the script in which the young guys were...

Callum Turner: The flashback.

Eddie Redmayne: Yeah, flashback when they were at Hogwarts together. He [Theseus] came like flying past the window on a Quidditch team, on his broomstick. He was clearly like a schoolboy sporting hero.

Callum Turner: Like a jock.

Eddie Redmayne: Definitely. The antithesis of Newt.

- Movie'n'co UK

Eddie Redmayne: Thank you. He's kind of the opposite of Newt. He is like the schoolboy hero. He was great. I'm sure he's like a brilliant Quidditch player, so they have a bit of tension and animosity, and yet they also have great love for each other, and that's kind of what you see through the film, is they start kind of not on the same side, but they progress through, and that thing that family does, like however much your brother irritates you, there's still some－I have three brothers who I love dearly. They never irritate me－They feel great sort of affection for.

- Dingo Movie

Eddie Redmayne: But also she [ J.K. Rowling] watches and she even says the way Callum’s character, Theseus, was written in the script was quite like, he was quite a bit mean to Newt, but the way Callum played him made him so human in trying to do the right thing and ‘I’ve got my own struggles’ and when Jo saw that and said to me that … when she then sees that footage she then responds to that in how she writes the characters going forward so it is kind of a lovely dance in some way.

- Knockturnal

Eddie Redmayne: It is really complicated. [Theseus] is an Auror, he’s very establishment, and Newt is kind of the antithesis of that. But what I loved, actually, was the way Jo had written their relationship. It was quite antagonistic to begin with, and it certainly is filled with complexities. I mean, his brother is engaged to this girl who he had a huge affection for growing up, so there’s obviously a real tension there. But one of the things I loved is, actually, Jo said to me seeing what Callum [Turner] was doing and how David was directing – there was a lot of love there – that she progressed the relationship as a consequence of that.

- Buzzfeed

Callum Turner: Theseus is the polar opposite of Newt. In a sense they're both fighting the good fight, but Newt is part of the rebellion movement and Theseus is the establishment.  

- MTV News

Callum Turner: The focus was very much about the brother relationship. I don't have a younger brother. I have a younger half-brother, but we didn't grow up with each other and I got these stories and it's very much the older brother shouts at the younger brother a lot and so bullies him in a certain way because there's a responsibility. It's all about two people just playing at the same patterns they had for years.

- Evanna Lynch Interview

Callum Turner: Theseus is head Auror at the British Ministry Of Magic - it's a tongue-twister! - and is really straight-laced. And Newt's not. He's the complete opposite, and he actually wants him to get in line and try to save the world. Because he knows he's special, but he won't do that. And that's the tension. That's what's going on between the two brothers. A brother trying to boss his other brother around, basically!

- Total Film

Callum Turner: He's an establishment man. He's worked really hard and rose to the top incredibly quickly. His brother won't conform. Newt sort of sits on the fence, and Theseus is a man of action.

- Entertainment Weekly: The Ultimate Guide to Fantastic Beasts

Callum Turner: He [Theseus] decided to fight the good fight by joining the Ministry, whereas Newt is part of the rebellion. They're both on the same side, but fighting in very different ways. Other than that key detail, the brothers clearly care for one another. While Theseus may be a bit more self-assured and confident than Newt, they share a deep sense of humanity.

- The Archive of Magic: The Film Wizardry of Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald

Callum Turner: What was important was not to focus on that friction but to try and understand maybe why. You look at the facts: [Theseus] is very successful through the establishment, and wants Newt to join and fight the good fight in the way that he knows how and the way that he thinks best. Newt doesn’t want to do that.

- Fandom Interview

Callum Turner: He is on the promise to fight the good fight in the ways he knows how, which means that he has to conform to the rules and the regulations of which the wizarding society is deemed acceptable within the establishment. He doesn't think that Newt's doing the right thing. Spiritually, I think probably Newt is the one that has figured it out. Yeah. He's doing what he wants. 

- HBO Asia

Callum Turner: He’s risen to the top of the ranks at the Ministry, he’s the Head Auror, and is fighting the good fight in the way he knows how. He’s incredibly stubborn and wants his brother, who he understands to be a more powerful, special wizard, to join the fight on his side, through the establishment, which obviously Newt is repelled by and I think that's the journey he goes on. Maybe he's making mistakes or had made mistakes.

- Futurepreviewsllc

Turner wracked his brain trying to figure out why Theseus would be so desperate to get everyone close to him to join the Ministry, and found a simple answer: Protection. “[Theseus] wants to protect his brother, he wants him alongside him, he wants to [know] that his brother will be OK.”

- Fandom Interview

Callum Turner: I think Theseus and Newt are complete opposites. He's worried about his brother and he wants his brother to basically do what he wants and to fight the good fight in the way that he know how, which is through the establishment. He does it through love. It's like an overbearing thing and that's obviously the worst thing possible for Newt.

- Crimes of Grindelwald UK Premiere

What does your character think of Newt’s newfound success? Does he resent him at all for it?

Callum Turner: I think there’s a sort of a relief. Theseus is really successful. He’s a very determined man to reach the top, and I think having his younger brother sort of float around in this obscurity, in a sense, was quite worrying for him.

- Collider

Callum Turner: And with Newt, the thing that drives Theseus actually is love. It’s very important to him, the brotherly thing. It’s not that he’s the older brother and, ‘You’re going to do what I say.’ There is that element to it, too, but I think the friction really is in Theseus suffocating Newt. Theseus is overprotective of Newt and doesn’t allow him space. But really that comes out of love.

- No More Work Horse

Callum Turner: As brothers separate at times, this is the moment that they have. We refind them. He's risen to the top of the Ministry of Magic and he's quite successful, quite stubborn, but this is a man that loves and this is a man that cares deeply about humanity in the wizarding world and his fiancee and also his brother, and I think that's where the stress comes between the two is that he wants to protect Newt and he wants to look after Newt, but Newt doesn't need it, but Theseus can't see that. And that's the dynamic. That's why older brother telling younger brother what to do, younger brother saying, "See you later."

- Sensacine

Callum Turner: I didn't grow up with a younger brother -- I have a half-brother but we didn't grow up with each other -- and my research was to understand what that's like, and to get into why Newt doesn't like him and why they don't connect. The communication has gone bad. Theseus is very head-in-the-sand in a sense. He's blind to what Newt needs, and, objectively, there's a selfishness to that and an arrogance to that and a brute force-ness to that. But subjectively, it's about protection and it's about love and it's about caring. Theseus is a carer. He's described as a hugger, and I think he's trying to hug the whole world. Newt, in particular. When you aren't able to give what someone needs, to facilitate what they need, you then either push them away -- which he does -- or suffocate. I think the friction between them is Theseus doesn't understand what Newt wants, and he is overbearing. It's almost like he's got him in a big, old bear hug and Newt doesn't want that at all.

- Etonline

The actor [Callum Turner] also found that it was easy to find similarities between the two characters, both from a character standpoint (they’re both “stubborn in their ideologies”)

- Fandom Interview

Callum Turner: I had obviously seen the first film, and then I looked at Newt and thought I’d do the complete opposite – because Theseus is the complete opposite.  Even though they’re very similar – and the similarities are through their stubbornness, and being successful, driven and powerful – it wouldn’t make sense if they were the same. There were little things, like having ankle swingers, I call them, in the costume; that was a nod to being brothers. But then, the writing’s so brilliant and layered and textured that it was awfully free, really.

No More Work Horse

Callum Turner: We tried to find loads of little touches that would draw the brothers together, like little details in the pocket square, or the tie pin, or having the trousers a little shorter at the bottom, that would link the two together. There’s a panache to Newt, and to Theseus, too — but it’s subtle. He’s engaged to Zoë Kravitz, so he’s got to have some style.

- Fandom Interview

Eight years Newt's senior ( although Turner is nine years younger than Eddie Redmaync), Theseus is less eccentric to the eye. 'Generally, he is part of the world, dressed in a fine suit,' says Turner. 'But there are tiny similarities between his and Newt's look: ankle swingers, a pocket square, these wizard-ish touches in the shapes of the lapel and the collar.'

- Lights, Camera, Magic!: The Making of Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald

Hair and makeup designer Fae Hammond didn't have to do much with Callum Turner's hair in order to make it look like he and Eddie Redmayne were brothers, just lighten it. Her challenge, however, was that Callum has no freckles. and Eddie has a well-known smattering across his face. 'So one of my team ... Carefully freckled him up,' says Fae. 'But its a work of art and really necessary,' she confirms. Freckling took about fifty minutes each day.

- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald: Movie Magic

Rebuffed, she comes to a halt. NEWT walks away toward THESEUS, who is very like NEWT, but more outgoing, easier in manner. THESEUS winks at LETA before turning to NEWT.

- Secrets of Dumbledore: The Original Screenplay

Callum Turner: He’s my younger brother. They love each other. It’s a lot of fun playing an older brother as well, someone who’s very sturdy, a war hero and we’re doing a scene today and Eddie gets slapped by Grindelwald with a spell and I was like my instinct in this kept saying, “Get up." You know. "Get up.” Not like, "Are you OK?” “Get up.” Like looking after him. I have a half-brother and a half-sister, but they grow up in Australia, so I didn’t grow up with them. So I didn’t know what it was really like being an older brother, feeding into that “get up” thing. Normally I’d be like, “Are you OK?” I actually did a lot of research for that. That was an important thing for me, to find the essence of being an older brother, and someone... I mean Newt is a worry for Theseus.

- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald - Makers, Mysteries and Magic: Chapter 7

Callum Turner: And with Newt, it was very important not to play the hardened brother because that's not what he is. And I think the relationship between Newt and Theseus is that Newt is running away. Theseus is worried about Newt. He thinks he's slightly odd, he's not part of the same society or the system that he's in, and Theseus is actually trying to drag him into line, into what Theseus thinks Newt should be. And I think that's the mistake. But actually, it's born out of love. It's not born out of authority or anything. He's worried and he realizes the world around them is crumbling. He says it to him at the beginning of the film. "You have to pick a side. You have to make a choice." And that's the theme of the film, for me. And actually, what he's doing is suffocating him. He's not allowing him to breathe, instead of that "Easy, easy." I'm sure Newt, then, would be like, "Hey, Theseus, what's going on?" But he's not. He's like, "Do this. Do that. Because I know best." And that's the similarity between the two. They're so stubborn. Theseus says, "Do this," and Newt just goes, "No," straight away. He doesn't even think about... and that's the beauty; by the end of the film they're in line and they take force of the situation that they're in. But their ideologies combine, in a sense.

- Mugglenet

David Heyman: Family is a big part of it, and, you know, it's both the family you're born with and the family you make. That's a big part of, I think, of the themes of Jo's work. So family is a part of it, including the relationship between Newt and Theseus. Seeing Eddie and Callum next to each other, they really do feel like brothers, and you know, Theseus is a Ministry man, but Newt is still his brother, and that relationship is really beautiful and strong. So to answer your question, yes, family is very much a part of it, where you come from, who you are.

- Collider

David Heyman:  Callum brings such an authority and an authenticity to the part. I mean, you really believe that he’s Eddie’s brother and, as he so rightly said, they are opposites and yet are very clearly brothers. And what he did so brilliantly in his audition – and it’s in Jo’s [J.K. Rowling’s] writing, as well – was that you had a sense that these two people have a history. So, there is both an affection, but also a little bit of that brotherly or fraternal thing, which I think really comes across. And, you know, Theseus is a Ministry man. Newt is not a Ministry man. That brotherly love, I think, is one of the heartbeats of the film.

- No More Work Horse

THESEUS: This isn't going to be like the other times. This is . . . Just try and keep an open mind, will you? And maybe a little less— A wordless gesture indicates Pickett, NEWT'S blue coat, and his messy hair.

NEWT —like me?

THESEUS (not without affection): Well, it can't hurt. Come on, let's go.

- Crimes of Grindelwald: The Original Screenplay

David Heyman: But what I love about brothers in this film is that ultimately, brotherhood is more important than anything and that the two of them begin on opposite sides of it. Theseus is a Ministry man and Newt is anti-establishment. And yet, even while that is going on, Theseus whispers in his ear, "They're following you," which is a betrayal of the Ministry, but it is his brother and he's trying to get his brother to go to him. He's trying to help him, I think, not because he wants him to be on the Ministry's side. He knows what's true for Newt. And he wants to help. So the way these people both move, Newt comes through realizing he's going to have to join the battle, and Theseus realizes he might have to do it outside of the traditional Ministry platform. They're doing it as brothers, stronger together.

- Mugglenet

Callum Turner: I hope they are friends. I hope they they are best buds. I think they deserve to be friends, right? There’s been a lot of bad press in the press about their relationship. I’m sick of it. 

Eddie Redmayne: I feel like by the end, they really bond in this film. It’s an amazing thing in family, isn’ it? Where you have difficult times and dynamics, moments when there’s friction and then something happens and you kind of lean into each other a bit. I’m excited for the prospect of the Scamander brothers taking on the world together.

- IGN España

NEWT shuffles over awkwardly to the bereft THESEUS. NEWT hesitates, struggling to find words of comfort. Then, for the first time in his life, he puts his arms around his brother. They hug.

- Crimes of Grindelwald: The Original Screenplay

Secrets of Dumbledore:

Eddie Redmayne: One of the key themes is siblings really. It's there with my brother Theseus played by Callum Turner who I adore, and the complexity of those relationships in families when you're all of the same blood, but you've got completely different personality traits, and you have great love even though you are entirely different people.

- ChicagoSciFi

Eddie Redmayne: Newt is not a social animal. He is much more at ease with his creatures. He' s not inherently someone that' s good at being part of the system and he didn' t really fit in at school. In fact, he ended up being thrown out! Whereas Theseus is very much the schoolboy hero who' s gone into a life within the Ministry, was a war hero himself and has a physical authority and a facility with people that Newt just doesn' t have. So they' re sort of chalk and cheese and yet because in this movie they have to work together they begin to realise that actually they complement each other quite well.

- Secrets of Dumbledore: The Original Screenplay

Callum Turner: Between the brothers, they're re-entering a stage in their relationship that they haven't been there for a long time probably since they were kids, both of them trying to be more open with the other, I'd say that Theseus maybe a little bit more than Newt, and they're developing an understanding, a respect for the way that the other person thinks and using that for the greater good.

- ChicagoSciFi

Callum Turner: Well, I think what's so brilliant about the way that Steve and J.K. wrote this relationship is that it's complex. It's like two brothers that have a fractured relationship of growing apart, unfortunately, for every reason, and I think the reason is that they both think they are right. With this one, they align themselves. They both allow themselves to be slightly more flexible and see the way the other fuses the world a little bit more, and that allows them to come together to fight the good fight together.

Katherine Waterston: Dude, it's so much more. I mean they are like... They solidify something in the end there. "I like you. Do you like me?" "Uh, huh, I'll come back and see you." Great. That's how it ended. OK. But the fellow, he doesn't come back.

- SuriusXM

Eddie Redmayne: They are pen pals. They are writing each other romantic love letters.

- iQIYI

Katherine Waterston: o between the first and second film, Newt and Tina have been separated by the Atlantic Ocean and maintained a correspondence, which was abruptly cut off when Tina discovers that Newt is engaged to Leta Lestrange.

- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald - Makers, Mysteries and Magic: Chapter 2

Eddie Redmayne: Newt has very little social capacity, let alone with people he finds attractive. He had managed to articulate himself enough when standing on those docks in New York, to make it clear to Tina that he had great feeling for her and she clearly did too, so there was a world which I thought it all might be happy ever after. But, no. Newt thinks it’s because of him being particularly harsh about Aurors. Of course, Tina is an Auror. But actually it transpires that the reason the letters have stopped is because Tina has seen a magazine in which a photo of myself, of Leta and of my brother Theseus has appeared on the front of the magazine and it is misquoted as saying that I’m getting married to Leta Lestrange rather my brother Theseus is actually getting married to Leta Lestrange. She’s seen this. She remembered that Leta’s name being mentioned in the last film and so she thinks that I’ve gone home and forgot all about her. So, unfortunately we start the film in a place of complete miscommunication between two people that already can’t communicate.

- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald - Makers, Mysteries and Magic: Chapter 2

Eddie Redmayne: Newt, I think, has always been a bit of loner and he's been out there in the world by himself. And he doesn't feel like he had necessarily the capability to connect to people. Through the first film, he connected to this trio and particularly with this one [Tina]. So, I think, at the beginning of this film he's desperate to find her again.

- Entertainment Weekly

Eddie Redmayne: It's a bit like what Jude was saying about knowing who Dumbledore [becomes]. We all know that Newt and Tina live happily ever after, hopefully, in Dorset somewhere. But at the same point, it's about how you're going to get there. Newt has always been very content in himself and his own world, after struggling to socially engage for so long. And throughout the last adventure, he connected with three people, and particularly Tina, and suddenly it’s opened up a whole chunk of his heart. At the beginning of the film, that’s all he wants, to regain that. But suddenly, all these things are put in his way…

- Total Film

Eddie Redmayne: He just wants to get back to New York, to Tina. But his travel documents have been denied. The ministry keeps interrogating him and New York and why he was really there and what his true agenda was. He's not in a happy place. He's kind of fucked off.

- Empire Magazine

Eddie Redmayne: At the beginning of this film, Newt has come back from America when we last saw him with Tina. He has published Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them, which becomes a huge success and made him quite famous in the Wizarding community, which he doesn't deal with particularly well. And all he wants to do is go back to America to find Tina, but they put a travel ban on him. So you kind of find a slightly egged Newt at the beginning, you know what I mean? He's not particularly happy because all the British Ministry of Magic and all the bureaucracy is stopping him from getting back to the girl that he fancies.

- Sky Cinema

Eddie Redmayne: So between the first and the second Newt has gone home from New York and he's basically written up his book on fantastic creatures and he's become a bit of celebrity, but Newt's not very good with people generally and becoming a celebrity is not ideal for him, and all he wants to do is to get back to New York, to find the girl Tina that's he's fallen for, but they have removed his travel permit for dodgy reasons.

- Graham Norton Show

Eddie Redmayne: But actually Newt's all like in love with Tina. He's desperately trying to get back to New York.

- Extra TV

Eddie Redmayne: He's desperately in love with this one, but he can't get back to New York to find her, and suddenly he realizes that she's going out with someone. So all kind of hell breaks loose at that point for him.

- E! Insider

Eddie Redmayne: Basically from where the last film ends. There's this kind of six months period in which everything was gonna be so perfect for these two. They were deeply in love. But Newt's gone home and written his book and he's become sort of minor celebrity, which Newt is not cool with. He's having a few family issues, but he's not allowed to leave. All he wants to do is get back to America to see the love of his life, but he's grounded.

- Movie News

Eddie Redmayne: I love about Newt is that he’s always been an outsider, but he’s created an exoskeleton, and a way in which to exist, and that is this cocoon of his case, his basement, his creatures – those things that he can relate to. He’s a morally good, kind, empathetic wizard, but he’s created this exoskeleton that doesn’t mean he has to go out into the world. In the last movie, this one opened his heart. He’s trying to sort of entice [Tina] back into his cocoon, but the stakes in the world are so extreme now that the big question for him is, is that enough? Is it enough just to be a good person? Or at some point do you actually have to engage and make choices.

- Leaky Cauldron

Eddie Redmayne: We find Newt basically with his wings clipped in the British Ministry of Magic, surrounded by bureaucracy and trying to get a travel permit to return to New York. Part of the journey of the film is Newt and Tina reconnecting and finding each other. I love playing that side of the story because they're both hopeless, and they are also incapable of communicating properly.

Katherine Waterston: He's making excuses. They're in a long-distance relationship now. As anybody who's ever done that knows, wires do get crossed, and misunderstandings happen.

- Entertainment Weekly: The Ultimate Guide to Fantastic Beasts

Katherine Waterston: It’s so much fun that maintaining the tension and JK Rowling is so great at keep all the characters complex and even as they grow and change, events change for them, she doesn’t ever simplify them. So for example, my character, she’s more confident in this film, but she’s damaged from him, so even though she still... I mean, he’s just not who she thought he was.

- ET Canada

Katherine Waterston: You know what though, I think there is a reason for her to believe that he might have been a little fickle. Because in the first film, he says, "Oh, thanks for the hot cocoa." And then he just sneaks out of the house. You know, not that reliable. 

- Kamr Local 4 News

Katherine Waterston: One of the most amazing things about being in this process with Jo is that she doesn't short-change any of the characters. There's time and room to grow throughout the entire series. Obviously, in the first film, I've been demoted at work, and then at the very end, I get my old job back. So that's a big change for Tina. And she certainly has a great deal more confidence in this film than she did in the first. She was right about what was wrong in the first film, so she feels a little bit more confident in her instincts - and I think quite proud to have that position back, and to be doing what she thrives at doing. But it's not all coming up roses for her, because there's still some things keeping her on slightly unstable ground, because some boys aren't always what they seem to be!

- Total Film

Katherine Waterston: At the end of the first film, we see she's been reinstated as an Auror, which is almost everything for Tina. Certainly prior to meeting Newt, her job was everything to her. After meeting Newt, she's got two interests in the world, you know? But being reinstated as an Auror, it’s almost like she got her identity back. She is now in a long distance relationship with Newt Scamander, and in long distance relationships, as everybody knows, sometimes communication can be a problem. And she's got a wrong idea about what’s going on, so she is sure-footed at work, but still a little unsteady in her private life with Newt.

- Sky Cinema

Katherine Waterston: She is absolutely head over heels in love with him and starting to admit that to herself. But, of course, in this film, though she's very sure-footed professionally, she's on very rocky ground romantically because she thinks he is engaged to someone else, and because they are so busy trying to save the world, they don't have time to have a cup of tea and work it out. It's the difficulties of a long distance relationiship in the middle of a global crisis.

 - Crimes of Grindelwald World Premiere in Paris

Katherine Waterston: This film reveals a difficulty in the romantic relationship between Newt and Tina. So right when she's feeling more confident at work, this love, this new romance that was making her really good was now making her feel lousy. So it was really fun to play that duality that at once, I'm feeling more confident, at the same time, feeling a little less so. They are in some version of a long distance relationship in the period between the end of the first film and the beginning of the second, between New York and London.

- iQIYI

Katherine Waterston: This is one of the gifts of working on J.K. Rowling's writings is that and this is true from the beginning of the Harry Potter series. You think, "Oh." You meet a character. You think, "I know what this person is about." and then they show a quality that's in direct opposition of what you think you know about them. And isn't that true of people?  We tend to be much more complicated than what maybe initially meets the eyes. And yeah so for Tina here, she's feeling great professionally. She's got her old job back, but her love life's in shambles, so she's feeling insecure in that part. It's great fun to play that stuff. Opposite act contain within one being. 

- SensaCine

Katherine Waterston: Well, I think their kindred-spirits and they discovered each other in the first film and they discovered that they are both a bit locked inside a sort of protecive barrier that they put up for themselves. And they put those barriers up for different reasons, but they are both dealing with that same difficulty. I think when they recognise, "Oh, there's someone else in the world like me." and feel that kinship there, it has starts to breakdown that barrier for both of them. But then of course JK Rowling, she's always putting her character through such hell. So in this film, right when that barrier starts to break down, she hears that Newt's gone off and married somebody else. It's sort of like an automatic window in a car. The barriers are going up. The barriers are going down. And hopefully, hopefully soon she'll be free.

- WEB.ED

Katherine Waterston: I guess the only other big change is that she's really frustrated with and hurt by Newt because she thinks he's married somebody else. So those are the primary differences. Sometimes you don't have the whole story, and you jump to the conclusion too quickly. That's certainly what happened here, and then unfortunately we just don't have time to work it out because there's a lot of shenanigans. So we don't have quite enough time to sit down and have a normal chat.

- Bowu

Katherine Waterston: We were both heartbroken. I think he's married to Leta. He thinks I've got a boyfriend.

- E! Insider

Eddie Redmayne: I feel like Newt's always been a bit of an outsider, but he's found great love in his creatures and he feels very comfortable there. He's sort of created his own cocoon of a world to live in. And in the last film, this one [Tina] like opened his heart quite substantially and began to integrate him into the world. But he's been called on by his old teacher and master Dumbledore to go and help and he's gonna sort of come out of his cocoon and start to make choices. So Dumbledore tried to get him to go to Paris to help him, but really it's Katherine's character Tina that's putting him to Paris.

- The Hollycopter

Eddie Redmayne: Dumbledore tries to persuade Newt to go to France and Newt, not quite persuaded. Then he hears that the love of his life is in France and that persuades him.

- Maoyan

Katherine Waterston: It’s complicated, all the relationships, it’s the same answer. They still care about each other very much, but in the period between the first film and the second film, a misunderstanding happens where Tina comes to believe that Newt has married somebody else. So she thinks she now has a job of trying to get over him and forget him, and while she’s trying to do that, he comes along to remind her that he exists, which is very frustrating for her, because she’s trying to move on and forget about it, and doesn’t really let him get a word when he tries, so he can’t explain to her, but he is not in fact married to somebody else. So it’s gonna take a little bit longer for them to, I think, get to the really romantic.

- Top Stars

Katherine Waterston: And so she has to sort of moved on and get on with her life and it’s a big bummer, but she has her work to do, so she just, that’s kind of Tina’s way of coping with painful things. She just pours her, all of her energy and focus into her work, and off to Paris, she goes. And then Newt shows up there and really messes up her progress and her investigation and kind of chases her around until she is forced to listen to his story about what happened.

- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald - Makers, Mysteries and Magic: Chapter 2

Eddie Redmayne: And often what’s interesting is that even they start the film at loggerheads, subconsciously they are brilliant at working together.

- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald - Makers, Mysteries and Magic: Chapter 2

Katherine Waterston: There’s a chance that she might kick him in the shins. She’s mad. She thinks she’s been jilted. She’s got her pride, but, of course, he can see through that. I think what’s fun about being reunited is that even when there’s difficulty between them, they both love adventure, and so there are these wonderful moments in the beginning of the film when they first reconnect where she’s hurt and offended and disappointed, and then suddenly have so much fun with him. And then it’s about like, "Oh, God, this guy’s fun to be around." And has to deal with the fact that he’s wonderful and she can’t have him.

- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald - Makers, Mysteries and Magic: Chapter 2

Katherine Waterston: To just be really annoyed because of course that thing when someone has really gotten under your skin or is really frustrating you, it's typically like a sound indication that you're drawn to them. It's really [unintelligible]. And so it was really fun to push against that, to resist the romance in a way, to give the audience that pleasure of saying, " Oh, these two idiots. They don't know what we know. They don't know it's going to work out.”

- Mugglenet

Katherine Waterston: I think Newt did a little bit of more of the rest doing in the last film because I’d been demoted at work and couldn’t practise magic as powerfully as I am now. So it’s maybe a little more balanced now. I think it’s just one of those things that these two people… they obviously have more similarities. They are both a little awkward and shy in some ways, but really thriving in high stakes, sort of dangerous situations and feel comfortable in those situations. Some people go kind of foggy in a crisis, and these two people, they get clearer. So there are a lot of wonderful moments where we have to act very quickly and efficiently, and it’s fun to try to seem like I’m someone more coordinated than I actually am. 

- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald - Makers, Mysteries and Magic: Chapter 6

Katherine Waterston: She can feel a bit awkward sometimes or not quite know what to say sometimes. But I think in high stakes situations, she's actually very expressive and sometimes even a little explosive. 

Eddie Redmayne: Mr Scamander!

Katherine Waterston: I've definitely given him a lot of lip. I've given him a hard time, and they actually... It was one of my favorite things about their dynamic is that they can kind of bicker with each other freely even though in many situations they both are quite self-contained. 

Eddie Redmayne: But they're kind of getting off on it, as well.Katherine Waterston: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It’s like they become more verbal in their flirtation with one another than maybe they are in other circumstances.

- YouDao

Katherine Waterston: The beauty of this relationship is that we know one thing that someday these two characters get married. And J.K. Rowling's having a very good time making that journey to the church a slow and sometimes painful one. But I think it's fun for the audience, because they know more than we know. They can see how much these characters love each other, even when sometimes they are having difficulties seeing or communicating with one another.

Eddie Redmayne: But also in this film you get to see Newt try flirting, and it's a very awkward flirting.

- Crimes of Grindelwald Japan Premiere

Katherine Waterston: Well, I suppose when you are wounded in love, it kind of tests how much you care about the other person. They hurt your feelings, you might think, "Forget this guy. I don't wanna have anything to do with him." And I think in a way, because she still carries a torch for him, because she still cares about him even when she finds out that, you know, or she thinks she knows he's married someone else, she still has strong feelings for him. So in a way, in that sense, the relationship doesn't change. She still cares about him as much as she did in the first film, If not more, because her love for him has been challenged in some way. The wires are getting crossed a lot here, so there's loads of misunderstandings, but certainly Tina doesn't know exactly what Leta meant to Newt. But by the time that Leta and Tina meet, some things have been cleared up.

- Crimes of Grindelwald China Premiere

Eddie Redmayne: It's actually… Salamanders is not a cheesy line. What I love about that weird line is that Tina gets it. Jacob [says], "Don't say that," and secretly Newt knows that she's going to love it.

Katherine Waterston: She going to get it. Eddie Redmayne: It's, like, primitive.

- Mugglenet

Ezra Miller: I would argue that it's actually one of the best and I feel like that's the point of what we witness and experience in the film. It's beautiful and to say something that lacks conventional romanticism or sort of objectifying regularity and to say something that really corresponds. And Newt says it to Tina, right? And Newt loves salamanders and all creatures of the magical world. And you know the salamander is a beast in Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them－A fire dwelling. Little reptile. So I think it's actually the most beautiful type of thing you could say. It's something where reflects your passion in a way that actually defies convention. So you are not just saying some bs that everyone says to their significant other.

- Chris Van Vliet

Katherine Waterston: I think with the danger of a master manipulator as Grindelwald is if you permit yourself to no longer think for yourself, and I think Tina, luckily when you see her in this film, she’s just gotten to a point when she’s really owned her own point of view, and so much learnt from Newt, to think for herself and to embrace her individuality, and that’s the kind of thing that protects you from that sort of sheep mentality and group thought that can be very very dangerous, where you say, "I don’t have to think for myself. I’m just gonna let this guy tell me what to do." So I don’t think she’s too much in danger.

 - Warner Channel Latam

Katherine Waterston: At the beginning of the first film, the world was much simpler for Tina. She had studied hard. She had gotten ahead at work. The rules and the system made sense to her, and this guy shows up and says," Your methods are insane in your country and we have much more advanced ways of handling a lot of issues in my country", and it just started to broaden her eyes. So when you see her in the second film, she's more confident because she's been reinstated as an auror, and there is a risk in going out on her own then, but she's also more empowered to go out on her own at this stage as well because she knows her instincts are good and she knows it's valuable to question the system. 

Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them:

JK Rowling: These sisters are orphans. They've really raised each other.

- A Look Behind the Magic

Alison Sudol: So you have two sisters who have raised each other and have a very deep bond.

- Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them Behind the Scenes

Alison Sudol: They grew up together and are very close. Their parents died when they were young, so they essentially had to raise each other. Each sister is the older sister and the younger sister in a different way as each has very distinct qualities that the other needs. They look after each other and complement each other beautifully. It's just how Katherine and I are together naturally.

- News24

Alison Sudol: But one thing that was very clear to us is that, because we lost our parents so young, we always took care of each other. And we acted very differently to the circumstances because we're very different people. Queenie is younger than Tina, so Tina took on more of the responsibility of the two of them and also because Queenie is an empath, essentially. She was also quite vulnerable. Tina also took it upon herself to be more protective. So I think that influenced everything that happened with their school days, but it's a very sweet thing to see that moment [Ilvermorny school song], as you said, because for us, the relationship as sisters in the movie is kind of just implicit; it's implied. You kind of just get the sense that these two are incredibly close, but you never really get to see that much of their shared history, and so it was just a moment for us to play with that as well.

- Mugglenet

Alison Sudol: It’s beautiful because they are so different. They both really compliment each other in really lovely ways. Tina’s very strong and very ambitious and hard-working and also very protective of Queenie, and Queenie really loves her and looks up to her, but also sort of looks after her heart, and they are both mature in different ways and they bring those things together to look after each other and they are each other’s whole family, which I think is such a beautiful thing, and you see it in little moments throughout the film, just little bond.  

- Douban

Katherine Waterston: Really, until these men come into their lives, Tina and Queenie are everything to one another— sisters, best friends, parental figures. They were forced, I think especially Tina, to grow up quickly because they lost their parents young, but despite that painful fate their dynamic is very youthful and sweet. As the older sister, Tina definitely feels Queenie is her responsibility and is very protective of her. Of course, Queenie, being a legilimens, can see that Tina is, beneath the surface, very vulnerable and in need of protection, too.

- Female First

Alison Sudol: think it's a really beautiful relationship. It's two sisters [who] have basically raised each other because their parents died when they were very young. So there's a mutual caring for each other. It's not like older sister-younger sister, because I think in some ways Tina is more grounded and an adult, but then Queenie has this deep empathy and such an unbelievable amount of perception about everybody but especially about Tina. So there's a real care and a warmth, and they occasionally are like [sisters] and bicker, but we didn't want it to be that kind of relationship because it's so much more about the love that they have for each other. And that's just present. It's not even trying to show it. It's just there.

- Mugglenet

Alison Sudol: Queenie is love. Queenie loves Tina with her whole heart and it's incredibly painful when people just see some idea of her that isn't true. They miss her humanity because the way that she looks.

- Mugglenet

Alison Sudol: It's a lovely dynamic, because we're so different, and yet we essentially raised each other, because our parents passed away when we were kids. There's this deep love and care, and a strength between the two of them, because no matter what, we are going to look after each other. We don't need to make a big deal out of it: it's just a fact that they love each other.

- Filmink

Alison Sudol: It can make you feel quite lonely, to have something that differentiates you from people like that. Obviously, it deepens the connection between Tina and Queenie because she knows so much about her sister without having to ask. That helps her help Tina. But she also has to protect herself and be aware of how [being a Legilimens] affects her. Tina's the safest person for Queenie to be around.

- Snitchseeker

Alison Sudol: Yeah, I mean, I think she's quite powerful, and she hasn't really had the opportunity to stretch that muscle, really. It's not something that she ever even really talks about. You can tell because people don't know that she's reading their minds, so you know she's not well advertised as a Legilimens. And I don't think that she's ever really had the need to utilize it. I think it's like as a woman, I've noticed with myself and with my friends, there comes a moment in time where you suddenly really need to access your intuition. And once you start doing that and trusting your intuition, it gets stronger and stronger and stronger. And you realize that there may not be a limit on it if you continue to develop that. And I think it's the same with Queenie. I think that she and Tina have a particularly deep bond, and that love makes it grow exponentially, and who knows what she can actually do? Which is quite exciting.

- Mugglenet

Katherine Waterston: I have a sister and I found it so brilliant that JK Rowling gave one of us the ability to read minds. There’s something really bizarre about it, even if you’re aren’t twins it can be that sort of connection. I thought the legilimency aspect was a good metaphor for it.

- British Vogue

Alison Sudol: Tina and Queenie are each other's family. They are each other's everything. You want to give Tina a hug all the time and Tina seems like she needs a hug. Where Tina's wanting to be the best, Queenie just loves life. She's very playful and joyous. She doesn't have a shell. What I love about Queenie is that she sort of plays with magic. It's very easy for Queenie to just love Tina. There's the kind of love that nothing can change between them. That's a very beautiful thing. You don't need to prove how much you love somebody if you love them enough, and that's how I feel with Tina and Queenie.

JK Rowling: Queenie who's much more relaxed than Tina, but is someone who is underestimated constantly. She's a Legilimens. So the girl who's always looked at can see more deeply than anyone else. 

- Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them blu ray extras: The Goldstein Sisters

Dan Fogler: Katherine plays the darker side of the sisters. She's more cerebral, but also has this great vulnerability. Katherine's a fantastic actress and what she brings to the role is a very specific sensitivity, but also strength. Each one of them is trying to find themselves. They're all fish out of water; quirky misfits who form this little family. And each one has something that is beneficial to save the day.

- The Case of Beasts: Explore the Film Wizardry of Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them

Alison Sudol: That was quite important to us that was there. There's not a lot of time that we have as sisters time. That's actually why Ilvermorny song scene was so nice because we actually got to be sisters. We decided early on that it was gonna be really important to have certain cues or certain things that we learned in our childhood, so you could just see that there is this relationship there. There are certain things that just happened naturally.

In the strudel scene, there's a moment when we talk to each other and I'm scolding her for making bad food choices, tiny bit. We tasted things at the same time. It's just those little moments, but it's really just like the undercurrent of sisterly love we just had to just lean into.

A lot of it was in the moment. There's this moment when we taste something at the same time. There's the way that we set the table. She was settting the table and I was cooking. That was like proper ballet. That was the first main scene that we shot. We had like "You do the forks and I do the apples. You do the this and I do the that." It's just the way two people, two siblings live together and make dinner every night. 

- Leaky Con

Alison Sudol: You have these two sisters who have raised each other and so we have a very deep bond. But it's an isolated and lonely life, and these two men come into our world and they're very, very different and exciting and intriguing and our lives are suddenly transformed within a night, being on the run and part of a gang. I think that's something we all want to do. We all want to be part of a gang.

- The Case of Beasts: Explore the Film Wizardry of Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them

Katherine Waterston: This is what's so amazing and kind of insane about working in film is that sometimes you just met the person and then you have to move around in a space together so you do it everyday. So we kind of scrambled to quickly figure out how they would prepare the room together. Whose chores are whose. So I was sort of setting the table with my wand and she was preparing the meal. We developed a little like superstitious kind of salt over the shoulder toss thing just to kind of give the audience a sense of their life together that is very insulated and private.

- Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them On-Set Interview

Katherine Waterston: You sort of feel the relationship more than you see it. When we are preparing the meal, there's little banter that's very everyday and lived-in and comfortable. It is the kind what I would describe as actually sort of witchy way that sisters engage with one another. Having a sister myself and Jo has one too, it just feels very true. I really love how much they are the centre of each other's lives and take care of one another. The way that they relate to one another is very sweet, and the thing that makes them really close is something really really painful. I really thought it was an indication of Jo's skill and intelligence as a screenwriter to know that you don't always have to express the feeling on the line.

- Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them blu ray extras: The Goldstein Sisters

Katherine Waterston: And I’m a bit more the father and she’s a bit more the mother. Queenie has a generous, maternal quality to her. She cooks beautiful, elaborate meals. And maybe, in their loneliness, they’ve fallen into that dynamic, where I’m trying to be the breadwinner, and she’s doing the ironing. On one level it’s a throwback relationship: they’re the mother and the father they lost. Then also, there are aspects to both of them that I think are underdeveloped, because they never really got to be kids. So, on another level, they’re like two kids in their bunk bed, and maybe part of the journey in the film is just bringing them to their actual place in the world.

- Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them: Movie-Making News: The Stories Behind the Magic

Katherine Waterston: She wants to be Sherlock Holmes, but she's Oliver Oyl. She's sort of klutzy and flailing and hasn't quite come into her own yet and feels sort of invisible. You know, men walk into lampost when her sister goes by, call her "Sir". So, I mean, I think there's just a real contrast there, but she's not jealous of her sister at all. They love each other so much. She hasn't really found her place. She hasn't had a chance to kind of blossom yet.

- Yahoo

Crimes of Grindelwald:

Alison Sudol: So already in last film you see she's kind of breaking the rules by coming back to Jacob and then this time around, you see that they've been in a relationship for a while. It's caused a huge rift with her sister and because she has this gift and she's been seeing into people's heads for so long and has never fallen in love with the way that she falls in love with Jacob, I think she's got a little bit of desperation not to lose that and because she's got the added thing of you can't have this, it pushes her to make perhaps not the wisest of choices, which we've all done in love. She just so deeply and desperately wants love and when Tina can't accept that and Tina's her only family, it means that everything is kind of on Jacob and so she's sort of going to have Jacob, whether Jacob likes it or not.

- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald - Makers, Mysteries and Magic: Chapter 6

Alison Sudol: Well, I think in Queenie's case, because she doesn't have a family except Tina and when Jacob comes in, that's the family that she wants to make her own family with. I think that she so desparately wants to be normal and she is not normal. She isn't in contact with her gift at all and she has a gift of a very powerful wizard and she just wants to be kind of almost not her and I think that is a large hole in her that is able to be exploited, because she thinks that something is very special about her is not wanted. 

- Inside Warner

Alison Sudol: I mean, she wants love and family. She is an orphan and Tina was her only family, and then Jacob came into the picture, and Tina didn't prove of Jacob, so there became this sort of thing like, "OK, well, Jacob will be your only family." And then that's not allowed. So right then and there, that's quite complicated.

- Crimes of Grindelwald World Premiere in Paris

Alison Sudol: Ultimately, you have this young woman who desperately wants to have a family because she's an orphan, it's always been her and her sister, and then she falls in love and the man she falls in love with alienates her from her sister because her sister's a real rule-follower and they're not supposed to be together these two. So right there, the foundation of her family is ruptured. It's not solid anymore and she wants to solidify it so badly. And then she makes some decisions which maybe in hindsight are't necessarily the wisest, but she's just doing what she can, out of a lot of fear.

- Coupe De Main

Alison Sudol: Also the problem is that she's been protected by Tina their whole life. She's the younger sister, and Tina, as we know, is a pretty big rule follower, and so it's caused a rift between the two sisters as well. So, as she goes through this journey, just see what happens to someone that's been very protected their whole life, who suddenly is sort of not protected, and who has this gift that she's not really in a dialogue with as well, and what happens when you put those things together.

- SiriusXM

Alison Sudol: I feel like in some ways she’s too there and that’s part of the problem. She’s tapping into all human beings at all times and that’s a lot for one person to hold and everybody closest to her is always going, ‘Don’t read my mind.’ So she has a huge power and yet is made to feel like she’s nothing and that’s bad. That could make anyone feel crazy.

Jacob doesn’t come with her. It’s not so much about Jacob not coming with her to the dark side, it’s like, ‘Jacob, walk with me, we’re in this together.’ And she doesn’t have those two [Jacob and Tina], so who does she have? Newt’s kind of betrayed her — he called her out, it was embarrassing. What does she have?

- Entertainment Weekly

Alison Sudol: She had been incredibly sheltered by her sister, Tina, and for good reason, so she needed to be protected.

- Supanova

Alison Sudol: And she is very innocent. She is unprotected. She is heartbroken. She's been abandoned. I mean, think about where is Tina in all of this? Tina was the one who was looking out for her, and she wants change. The system that is currently in place is the system that is keeping her from being able to love the person she loves.

- Mugglenet

Alison Sudol: She was manipulated by somebody after having been rejected by her sister, who was like, "Where's Tina?" Jacob wasn't great, didn't handle that well and neither did Newt. So the people that she loved the most were not there for her when she's clearly vulnerable and clearly struggling.

- Brussels Comic-Con

Alison Sudol: I hope that when people watch this they remember that love is driving all of these things. For Queenie, the choices that she's making may seem out of character, but if you think about what she's been through — the fact that her sister isn't there for her when she needs her — I would hope that people stay with her as a character on her bumpy ride.

- Exclaim

Alison Sudol: The wizarding world, including her sister, let her down, limiting her ability to be who she was and to love who she loved.

- Secrets of Dumbledore Production Notes

Katherine Waterston: Really all of the drama between Tina and Queenie occurs between the first and second films, so you hear about it, you do not see it. So that was a big responsibility for Alison and I to bring this history that you don’t see play out in the film to the film, but the weight of that relationship and the fracturing of that relationship I felt I could carry with me throughout this whole story. It’s an extraordinary loss for Tina, and I think it kind of explores an important lesson about dealing with and confronting the troubled relationships in your life. If you assume that you can do it later, you may not have that chance, and I think that in a way, Tina, in trying desperately to save Credence, misses some opportunities to repair her relationship with Queenie before it’s too late. 

- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald - Makers, Mysteries and Magic: Chapter 7

TINA: QUEENIE!

QUEENIE Disapparates.

TINA retaliates, throwing a curse at GRINDELWALD, but the circle of fire lashes out in ever more violent spears. GRINDELWALD conducts the flames as though leading an orchestra, the Elder Wand his baton, as the forks of fire strike at AURORS attempting to Disapparate or flee.

- Crimes of Grindelwald: The Original Sreenplay

Katherine Waterston: I was thinking when Callum was saying that the intentions may be very good, but you essentially can be speaking in different language, that he wants to protect his brother, Tina wants to protect Queenie, and Queenie simultaneously feels very unprotected in that situation, because protecting her is safety, but I'm not considering her dreams or her heart in that sense. JK Rowling's very good at exploring the shades of gray. It's not so simple. The simple version would be, "You've gotta follow the rules and I'm enforcing them because I love you." And Queenie would say, "Oh, that's so sweet of you. Thanks." But the world is not so simple, and I think as the series goes on, we are seeing that in all of the storylines. There isn't an easy answer. We all have to work it out for ourselves.

Callum Turner: Yeah. I guess also in hindsight, this is only when you realize what you've actually been doing. Right? Whether you've been overbearing or...

Katherine Waterston: Yeah and the cost of it. 

Alison Sudol: Yeah, the consequences.

Katherine Waterston: In this film, Tina does realize the consequences of not being more open to her sister's perspective.

Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them:

Katherine Waterston: Credence and Tina have a past. He doesn't remember it maybe, but she has been concerned about him for a while before the film starts.

- Mugglenet

Katherine Waterston: I found it really touching that the only thing that will tempt her to break her away from the position she has is if someone is in trouble. But by saving a No-Maj, she exposed herself as a magical person.

- Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them: Movie-Making News: FANTASTIC BEASTS 2

Katherine Waterston: She broke the rules in order to protect someone who was in trouble. Though she's really proud to be a part of MACUSA and dreams of succeeding there, when push comes to shove she will abandon the rule book. I found it really touching. She loves the rules, but if someone's in trouble, she can't help herself.

- The Case of Beasts: Explore the Film Wizardry of Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them

Inside the Obscurus, Credence reaches out to Tina, the only person who has ever done him an uncomplicated kindness. He looks at Tina, desperate and afraid. He has dreamed of her ever since she saved him from a beating.

- Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them: The Original Screenplay

Crimes of Grindelwald:

Katherine Waterston: Tina and Queenie were orphaned very young, Tina, as the elder of the two, felt a great responsibility to take care of her sister. Over the years, that feeling to protect helpless children extended beyond just Queenie. She values her position at work and respects the law, but a child in need－that's her Achilles Heel. If forced to choose, she'll break the rule to help a child, as she did for Credence when Mary Lou Barebone was beating him. Near the end of the first film, she gave Credence her word that she and Newt would protect him, and she is not one to go back on her word.

- Crimes of Grindelwald Production Notes

Katherine Waterston: I think you start to see a bit in the first film that a child in trouble is her Achilles' Heel, particularly an orphan child. As long as he is unsafe in the world, she has that concern to save him, and I think that stems from her own childhood. She and Queenie were orphaned young, and she knows what it's like to be a bit lost in the world, and she pulled herself up by her bootstraps, and she is a very hardy woman. I think she is just going to be forever distracted by Credence and his need until that is sorted.

- Crimes of Grindelwald World Premiere in Paris

Katherine Waterston: Her Achilles heel — the thing that kind of makes her throw the rulebook out the window — is a person, particularly a young person, in trouble, in need. There’s something almost of an obsession I think she has with Credence. She feels very responsible for him.

- Buzzfeed

Katherine Waterston: We find Tina in Paris along many other members of the original cast and some new characters. She is looking for Credence. There are people after him for different reasons, and obviously Tina cares about him a great deal and is trying to get to him first. 

- MTV News

Tina Goldstein has been reinstated as an Auror at MACUSA (Magical Congress of the USA), but, while she remains dedicated to the job of enforcing magical law, she has not lost her independent streak. Leaving New York, Tina has traveled to Paris on a cryptic—and wholly unauthorized—investigation of her own. She knows Credence survived MACUSA’s attempt to destroy him in New York, but she is also aware that, as an Obscurial, he is considered a threat to the wizarding community and is in grave danger. Employing all of her skills, Tina is finally closing in on Credence, but her perilous pursuit has also put her on a collision course with other powerful forces hunting him.

- Crimes of Grindelwald Official Character Description

Katherine Waterston: Tina isn't confident that the ministry would approve of her desire to protect and save Credence. They are seeking him for a different reason, and so she's kind of doing this investigation on the sly.

- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald - Makers, Mysteries and Magic: Chapter 5

Katherine Waterston: She's continuing a sort of rebellious pursuit in trying to protect Credence.

- Bowu Magazine

Katherine Waterston: It's a little unclear whether MACUSA knows her whereabouts. Tina isn’t confident they would approve of her desire to save Credence. They are seeking him for a different reason.

- Lights, Camera, Magic!: The Making of Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald

Ezra Miller: Yeah, I mean certainly we’ve seen sort of only fragments of a story in which Tina did care for Credence, and that was a rare and noted instance in Credence’s story. But again, when you really think about it, what does Credence actually know about that human being, where she comes from? I mean, the last interaction was a deeply confusing one where there were a lot of things going on on the subway tracks, you know? So yeah, I think that’s one of the connections.

- Collider

ANGLE ON TINA, edging through the crowd, searching.

She spots QUEENIE and, at a short distance, CREDENCE. Whom should she approach first? She chooses CREDENCE, but as she moves, is blocked by an ACOLYTE. They make eye contact. TINA knows she is wildly outnumbered. Under the ACOLYTE'S gaze, she sinks onto a bench.

Crimes of Grindelwald:

Alison Sudol: It's not so lovely for Queenie in this film. She has trouble because she doesn't speak French. She's not good at languages period. She has trouble with Newt's accent, so forget about Paris. So she's kind of getting a lot of information that she can't filter through in the way that she does. She's like clogged up by all of these information that she can't process, which is also part of the reason why it's easy for Grindelwald to manipulate her, because her instincts are not functioning properly.

- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald - Makers, Mysteries and Magic: Chapter 6

Dan Fogler: I feel like she also reads heart shockers. If your intention is pure, then it confuses her. Even if you're an evil bastard, if you're intention is pure, she's like, "Oh, this person means well."

Alison Sudol: It's true, there's a purity … because her gift hasn't been something that she has been taught to use. She hasn't been mentored. It is literally, "Queenie, stop reading my mind." She could be one of the great witches of her all time with this gift, but it's seen as a nuisance. So, if you don't have mentorship, and you're taught that something about you is wrong – and you aren't developing it, it's only just happening to you – then the discernment between a pure intention and a pure intention of harm, you know, is quite confusing if it muddles the senses. That's what we encounter in this with her.

- Snitchseeker

I was wondering, wouldn't Queenie have noticed the change in Graves [Grindelwald]' thinking even though he looked the same?

JK Rowling: Occlumency.

- Twitter

Mads Mikkelsen: If I offer a character that is under distress and frustrated, alone, a misfit, if I offer some comfort and an ear that would listen, it's a smart way to get you followers.

Alison Sudol: Absolutely. You sense vulnerability and you use it, and it was painful actually. I know that might sound strange, but any time you are put in a position where you need to look more deeply into yourself or into humanity to learn about someone, I think it's really positive, because it just brings more understanding into the human condition really.

- Secrets of Dumbledore Interview

Alison Sudol: She made the mistake of believing Grindelwald could offer a better alternative. He used her vulnerability to his advantage, telling her what she wanted to hear, meanwhile separating her from everyone and everything she loved. He understands people's base desires and he plays into them. That's why he's so dangerous. It's something that happens in the real world all the time, a trap that so many young people fall into. We are not taught how to converse with our desires, we're taught to suppress them to fit in. It takes the considerable power of owning our feelings away from us and leaves it up for grabs, makes us a target for manipulation.

- Secrets of Dumbledore Production Notes

Alison Sudol: At the end of the second film, we see Queenie make a pretty shocking decision, something that no one really expected. But if you follow through the film, if you really think about it, she was sort of in one unfortunate circumstance after another because of the way that the wizarding world operates and the prejudice. Really all she wants to do is just be with the person she loves. The narrow-mindedness of the world she lives in puts her into a really vulnerable position where somebody that's really manipulative can tell her what she wants to hear, and that's gonna have an impact.

- Secrets of Dumbledore Press Conference

Alison Sudol: Well, Grindelwald told her what she wanted to hear, didn’t he? I mean, anyone with a little power of observation could see that she was desperate to be with Jacob legitimately, which was a much bigger deal at that time than it is today. She would do anything to be able to be with him. And because of the restrictions by the wizarding world, the narrow mindedness, the prejudice towards non-magical people, she was vulnerable to anyone who would say it could be different. Grindelwald pretended to be sympathetic to non-magical people to get her on his side. If the wizarding world had been more open-minded, she never would’ve been in this situation.

- Bearpost

Alison Sudol: In the last film, a lot of people were shocked by what she did, but then, as I thought about more and more about what happens in that film, she's abandoned by the people that she loves, and her sister's not there, and she and Jacob are fighting, and Newt humiliates her, and she's also up against a huge amount of prejudice, and Grindelwald offers what seems like an alternative to a world that is broken and is not allowing her to be with the person she loves.

- Secrets of Dumbledore Interview

“Grindelwald actually sounds like he’s all for love — if you love a Muggle, you should be allowed to be with them, and you should be allowed to marry,” Fogler reveals. “But wizards, he feels, should be on a pedestal. This is very tantalizing to some.

- Entertainment Weekly

Dan Fogler: Dumbledore can say the same thing and so can Grindelwald in his heart. That's why it's so easy for her. She's like, "Wow, he really believes this, that this can happen." This utopia that he's promising with his silver tongue. But there's a part of him that it's for love. So it's very confusing, which makes for really complex, dramatic, great scenes to play. Really interesting subject matter. 

- Sensacine

JK Rowling: We watch him corrupt an innocent, and we see his immense seductive duplicities, gift for speech in the final scene where we really see the danger of the man. 

If we look at what he is saying and analyse it, it does fall apart. However, if you're not paying a lot of attention to the substance and the inherent contractions in what he's saying, it sounds very seductive, very plausible, and it can persuade people that you or I might consider good people.

- ChicagoSciFi

'He's also a bit flirty,' says Sudol. 'It's the age-old thing of the good girl getting swayed by the bad boy.'

- Lights, Camera, Magic!: The Making of Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald

Alison Sudol: Grindelwald is very skilled at reading people, at understanding when someone is vulnerable and what they need to hear, and he also sees a part of her that she hasn't accepted in herself, which is this extraordinary gift that she has. There's a power there and there's a pull. There's no doubt about it.

- Secrets of Dumbledore Interview

Alison Sudol: So she is scooped up by Grindelwald in easily the most vulnerable moment that she's had in her adult life. She has very little at this point left to go to, so she's not protected by anything in that moment and he comes in, and it's very interesting the way that Jo's done this. Basically, you think of a predator or an evil person, a bad person's gonna come in and they are gonna be like an ogre and horrible and being like killing kittens in front of you and you are gonna be able to see that they are evil, but the thing about Grindelwald is that he's a master manipulator. He's all things to everyone that they need, and that is why he is so dangerous, and to Queenie, he very quickly understands that the way to get to her is through her giant heart, which is very open and very sore, and he comes in, he's vulnerable to her and sort of appeals to her and also reacts to her gift, which is a gift of being able to read minds, but Queenie's never been told that it's a gift. She's always been shushed, and It's always been a frustration and an annoyance to the people around her, and here you have this very intriguing, mysterious man who sees her as this powerful woman, and also he's saying, "I want what you want. I want you be able to love freely." She's been rejected by Jacob; it's no wonder she gets swayed by Grindelwald.

- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald - Makers, Mysteries and Magic: Chapter 6 & The Archive of Magic : The Film Wizardry of Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald

Poppy Corby-Tuech: I think this is the power of Grindelwald, that he doesn't... He could've poisoned her, he could've drugged her, he could've used a spell, but actually I think he trusted that she would come to him in a really natural way and it would come from hers as opposed to her being forced. That is really the way that he's persuading a lot of people to do his very dark things around and it's not through mind games or through torture. It's through the sheer power of the words. Obviously, there's manipulation at the intent of it, but it's like, "If we lay the breadcrumbs, they will come."

- Speakbeasty

David Heyman: I think the fact that even Queenie can go over is really significant. The fact is that for me, Grindelwald is a much scarier villain than Voldemort. Because Voldemort was pure evil. People follow Voldemort as much because of brute, his power and brute force than his power of persuasion. The thing about Grindelwald is he makes sense or he makes sense to people. He speaks to the needs that people have. He understands his audience and he gives them what they want to serve his own needs. So I understand Queenie who wants to be with Jacob but where the magical laws deny her that possibility. You can see why someone who tells her in his world, in the world that he will rule, that she will be able to have what she wants. You understand why she goes over.  And that makes it to me, Grindelwald is relevant. He speaks to today. But he's also, because history repeats itself, a timeless villain and I think he's incredibly scary.

- Empire Podcast

David Heyman: Grindelwald is to me a much scarier villain than Voldemort, because Grindelwald makes sense to certain people. Voldemort's power is fear and intimidation. As Callum said, Grindelwald seduces. As much as we may hate certain politicians because they do not speak our language, we have to understand that they are answering the needs and vulnerabilities and insecurities of others. Grindelwald is doing that. That's why Queenie goes over. He makes perfect sense. I understand why Queenie does what she does. I may hate it. I may not like it, it may make me sad, but yeah [it makes sense].

- Coup De Main

His eyes meet QUEENIE'S in the front row.

GRINDELWALD —and for love.

We pan across QUEENIE, now heart and soul his .. .

- Crimes of Grindelwald: The Original Screenplay

Secrets of Dumbledore:

Alison Sudol: Queenie made a choice to take marrying Jacob into her own hands in the second film, which set off a chain reaction of unfortunate events that ultimately left her vulnerable and alone. Ultimately, she made a choice to cross over to Grindelwald’s side. It was shocking for a lot of people, but she was wounded and reckless. There was a lot of chaos around that decision, and it happened in a split second. Now in this new film, things have calmed down and the sobering reality of the world that she now lives in has descended. It’s not a world that she fits into, but she’s had to assimilate. Grindelwald sees her as a valuable asset for her power to read minds, which puts her in an important position among Grindelwald’s minions. That doesn’t mean she’s safe. She’s navigating this as best as she can, and it’s intense!

- Bearpost

Alison Sudol: So at the start of this film, we find her in a world that is very different than any world she's ever been in before. She's also being utilised for this tremendous power that she has, that she's either had to hide in the past or she's been made feel guilty about, and there is something interesting about that, about a person who hasn't actually been able to live fully as who they are, and I think a lot of young woman can relate to that as well, of what happens when somebody sees that thing, that burning part of you that nobody else sees. It's a tricky, interesting position. We don't really know where she's really to go and who she is and how she's going to move forward, because she's at a point in her life where she has sort of two ways to go, but she's made a decision that you can't really just say to Gellert Grindelwald, "Sorry, I actually..." It's pretty creeping, so maybe she won't be able to get away or mabye she will. That's what her journey is now.

- Secrets of Dumbledore Press Conference

Alison Sudol: Grindelwald's on a mission to become the leader of the wizarding world by hooker, by crook. He's not the kind of guy that's gonna do it the right way. He's gonna do it the way that makes it happen, and earlier on, she observes him do something completely unthinkable and cruel, disgustingly cruel to an innocent creature for his own benefit, and it's shocking, and it's unclear what she's seen up until then, but I don't think it takes her very long to realise that she's dealing with seriously villainous people.

- ChicagoSciFi

Mads Mikkelsen: He's an odd man, because he picks some allies that he knows are not fully on his side. So there's a little game for him. He seems to take pleasure in manipulating people that he knows are not a believer of him. But obviously if you can turn them over completely, it's a win-win situation. If you can't, he will have a very fun and good time with them. But also it's an old saying, right? Keep your enemies very very tight, very close. But she's a fantastic tool as well. She has the ability to read people's minds, and that can come in very handy.

- ChicagoSciFi

Mads Mikkelsen: Oh, Grindelwald doesn’t trust her at all. But there’s something about Queenie—she can read other people’s minds, but she’s also a very bad liar at the same time. So, Grindelwald has a hunch he can trust her to the degree that she can’t lie straight to his face. And then, as was said before, both Dumbledore and Grindelwald have this tendency to manipulate people around them. The difference is that Grindelwald doesn’t mind people around him that could be dangerous for him. He finds it interesting. It’s a little game. Life becomes more interesting when you have people around you that might turn on you. It keeps him on his toes.

Actor Ingvar Sigurosson playes Grimmson, who pursued and destroyed an Obscurial fifteen years earlier.

- Movie Magic

As scarred and brutal as his name suggests, Gunnar Grimmson is the polar opposite of everything the Magizoologist hero stands for. He hunts down beasts rather than rescues them, taking a cruel pleasure in his task. In short, he is the anti-Newt — his nemesis. And now he's tracking Newt's movements through the avenues of Paris.

- Lights, Camera, Magic!

A theft. A kidnap. A Murder. Grindelwald's solutions to life's obstacles are decidedly grim. When Grimmson gets too close to Credence, its the beast hunter who's murdered in his own tracks.