my buddhism audiobook paused mid-paragraph for a startling length of time and my arts major ass was like "Wow. What a powerful commentary on stillness." (my phone had died.)

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my buddhism audiobook paused mid-paragraph for a startling length of time and my arts major ass was like "Wow. What a powerful commentary on stillness." (my phone had died.)

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If we wanted to engage in nuance (lol, lmao) on the "are audiobooks reading" debate, we really do need to bring literacy, and especially blind literacy, into the conversation.
Because, yes, listening to a story and reading a story use mostly the same parts of the brain. Yes, listening to the audiobook counts as "having read" a book. Yes, oral storytelling has a long, glorious tradition and many cultures maintained their histories through oral history or oral + art history, having never developed a true written language, and their oral stories and histories are just as valid and rich as written literature.
We still can't call listening in the absence of reading "literacy."
The term literacy needs to stay restricted to the written word, to the ability to access and engage with written texts, because we need to be able to talk about illiteracy. We need to be able to identify when a society is failing to teach children to read, and if we start saying that listening to stories is literacy, we lose the ability to describe those systemic failures.
Blind folks have been knee-deep in this debate for a long time. Schools struggle to provide resources to teach students Braille and enforcing the teaching of Braille to low-vision and blind children is a constant uphill battle. A school tried to argue that one girl didn't need to learn Braille because she could read 96-point font. Go check what that is. The new prevalence of audiobooks and TTS is a huge threat to Braille literacy because it provides institutions with another excuse to not provide Braille education or Braille texts.
That matters. Braille-literate blind and low-vision people have a 90% employment rate. For those who don't know Braille, it's 30%. Braille literacy is linked to higher academic success in all fields.
Moving outside the world of Braille, literacy of any kind matters. Being able to read text has a massive impact on a person's ability to access information, education, and employment. Being able to talk about the inability to read text matters, because that's how we're able to hold systems accountable.
So, yes, audiobooks should count as reading. But, no, they should not count as literacy.
Are audiobooks a scam? Like, do people really understand written language when listening to it. I can listen to podcasts for hours on end and feel like I'm following, because it's spoken language and I can understand that. But I genuinely do not understand written language if it's not on the page. I have only one friend who has confirmed this so far, and she has a PhD, but everyone only gets one vote
Edit: this is getting an insane number of votes and I just wanted to say every one of you is right and I love you.
Someone said they speed up the audiobook to help processing, I guess kind of tricking their working memory? I have tried it and it doesn't work :D
Can you understand a book in audiobook format if you have never read that book yourself?
I can understand new-to-me written text in spoken form, even text-to-speech
I can understand spoken word but not audiobooks
I can understand if the text is simple and the narrator is good
Deaf / Bald / Vanilla
Desperately trying to finish listening to this audiobook before Libby repos my shit

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My friend Fadel (@fadel-dani) wrote to me today. He asked me to imagine going about my day, and being surrounded by death and danger everywhere.
He writes about the narrowing of life in the genocide:
They bombed a mosque, so we don't go to pray at the mosques. They bombed a café, so we don't sit in cafés. They bombed a bus, so we don't ride buses. They bombed a car, so we don't drive cars. They bombed a tent, They bombed a water station, They bombed a diesel seller, They bombed a charging point, They bombed and bombed and bombed…
He had been trying to raise funds to get emergency surgery after surviving a bombing that destroyed his home and left him injured with shrapnel in his body.
Before he can even travel to emergency care, he needs medication that costs $400 every month, and he and his family need food so they do not die from starvation in the genocidal famine imposed by Israel.
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My dear friends: When a librarian or teacher says "Audiobooks count as reading", we do not literally mean that audiobooks are the same as decoding visual meaning via symbols representing sounds. We mean, among other things:
Audiobooks can expose listeners to new vocabulary and forms of syntax.
Audiobooks can present listeners with long-form fictional narratives with engaging characters, interesting literary devices, and poetic turns of phrase.
Audiobooks can teach listeners new information in a long-form manner that goes into depth or wide breadth on a particular subject or subjects.
Audiobooks can help listeners' verbal comprehension skills.
Audiobooks can do all these things without presenting the same difficulties to blind, low vision, partially sighted, visually impaired, or dyslexic listeners; listeners with ADHD; listeners who experience physical difficulty with holding a book or e-reader; or listeners who are disabled in a host of other ways that a physical book or e-reader might present.
The written word is not specially imbued with magical noble worth above the spoken word, and if you think it is, you may have some ableism and/or racism to deconstruct.