#arcos frontera

Remember when Lloyd look at the third ending spoiler and Arcos fell from his horse and broke his neck? Ever thought about how Javier felt when it's not a powerful enemy but a freak accident that he couldn't protect his lord from? Now you do :D

I'm never picking up a pencil again 😭😭 somehow it's actually worse than taking a two hours long calculus test. now i understand why fujimoto said he'll kill everyone at the art school if he doesn't get better lol. this thing completely drained my will to draw—next time I get inspiration it's going straight to the gallow

OMFGGG I can’t believe it's actually canon as of 206 😭😭😭

This user pointed out the Frontera's relationship with Javier is odd in TGED because in the original novel, they were nothing more than extras and I agree. That's why I think in the original novel, OG Lloyd wasn't as terrible as he is described in the TGED webnovel because he is utterly irrelevant to the TKOBAI plot.

All OG Lloyd ever did was drink, being a menace to the Frontera barony, and broke Javier's sword, but the kind of adventure Javier goes on doesn't really allow for these details to become relevant throughout the novel. At best, Javier met someone who was bullied in the TKOBAI novel and he used "Lloyd breaking my sword" to talk no jutsu his adversary and save the day. Even Suho said Lloyd exits the story after Javier buries him and starts his journey. Heck, you could erase everything about his character except for the drinking part and nothing from TKOBAI would change—Lloyd's behavior wasn't the cause for the barony's fall, Arcos falling for a scam was what did them all in. So there's no point for the TKOBAI author to really elaborate on Lloyd's character beyond 'he drinks and is a menace'.

But with the arrival of Suho, the relationship between Javier and each member of the Frontera family was forcefully expanded and OG Lloyd's abuse was elaborated into the despicable character he was. Much like how Javier's relationship with the Frontera needs to be expanded beyond 'the baron saved me as a kid so my loyalty is with the frontera', OG Lloyd's role possibly expanded into scarring Julian, abusive to the townsfolk which makes everyone scatter like rabbit and get in Suho's way (there's no reason for him as a character to not be abusive to his servant ofc), and betraying Arcos' trust by lying and using his tuition money to party.

My theory is that as TKOBAI becomes TGED with the moment Suho woke up in Lorasia, OG Lloyd's role was expanded in order to accommodate Suho doing a 180 and changing everyone's negative perception of Lloyd Frontera from a despicable piece of shit to a reliable heir everyone was waiting for, which more than fits the 'hero origin' Suho needs if he replaced Javier as the main character of the world.

No matter how you look at it, OG Lloyd is a starter villian—he's the source of torment for the original protagonist, he broke Javier's precious things, and is his savior's own son, a position Javier could never become no matter how much he tried. OG Lloyd's hooligan reputation is the first roadblock Suho faced when he got to this new world, but for that starter villian to die from his own doing without Javier's involvements is just shitty writing. That's why I think OG Lloyd wasn't meant to be anything more than "drunk menace who died" in the TKOBAI novel.

I felt something was odd at first when I saw the fandom was split on OG Lloyd's webtoon appearance. In the novel, he was unapologetic and hated Javier, while in the webtoon he's way more sympathetic and wanted to be Javier's friend and tsundere'd his way into destroying his childhood. I liked the webtoon version more than the novel version (not to say I don't like the novel version—I like both) but didn't know why until now.

From a writing perspective, having a 10 years old child being a piece of shit just for the sake of it is just terrible for a work published to a large teenage fanbase, and there are already plausible reasons for OG Lloyd to despise Javier as much as he did without the reason being "oh some people are trash". If there's a setup already in place why not use it instead of bending over backwards for a new plot point? (looking at you Alicia and your tournament which Lady Ella might or might not attend)

Fuck me bro. Godddd the parent povs have been hurting me. I need Lloyd to come clean to SOMEONE pleaseee. Tell Javier, tell arcos and Marbella, tell fuckin Emily!

And on their end they have the remorse and guilt for having Lloyd clean up their messes and the anxiety that stems from Lloyd not calling them mother and father anymore and what the cause of that is, the sinking feeling that the Lloyd before them is not the Lloyd they raised. So good

Bc I have seen that some ppl didn't exactly saw the mayor point I was trying to make about the dynamic of Lloyd Frontera w his parents, mainly w his father, Arcos.

* Disclaimer, I have yet not read the novel bc I want to focus on the comic more than the novel, since it's an au of the former, that being said, take my takes w a grain of salt and this time don't sent me hate(it happened once), Im willing to share povs, okay? lol.*

Anyway.

The main point of my analysis is to bring up the fact that Arcos Frontera's affection is conditional.

What do I mean with that?

In the comic it's heavily shown how Arcos is disappointed by Lloyd, mainly for being a violent alcoholic, which as much as he was unhappy about it, he rarely did anything about it.

And that's bc Arcos already had a backup plan for the state, meaning Javier.

He sent his youngest son away from the responsibilities of being the heir and made sure to get the child he brought home and raise it as the heir.

Why am I so sure?

Javier being given the clothes that a heir would wear. Same style and as Arcos, and then he's seen wearing the same coat the Lord wore when he took him with him back to the manor.

He did absolutely nothing about Lloyd's behavior, and let people see his son being a bad person alongside Javier, who was behaving properly and getting the favor instead of his own child.

He worries for his wellbeing, okay. He's a good person, after all. And yet, he never takes initiative to involve Lloyd into the affairs of the estate, but he has Javier as his confidant, about his plans and to keep an eye on him.

To just keep him alive.

Then the fated night happened. Lloyd suddenly making a 180 out of nowhere.

And then, he absolutely did nothing as the Lloyd ™️ began to take over the estate affairs, he was hesitant, but he still let him, bc I like.l to think he wanted to see what he would do, bc he probably didn't have high expectations in the first place.

Bc he's not a good Lord either, he had no idea what he was doing. It was Arcos himself who got them in debt, if I remember, in the first place.

What could Lloyd do that isn't worse than he did?

So, what happens when things start getting better? He's suddenly listening to Lloyd, he's suddenly doing what he says, and he's suddenly trusting him, bc he sees Lloyd being a way better estate Lord than him.

And because he's giving results. He took him out of debt, and he made the living conditions of the territory way better than any other in the country.

A good Lloyd is worth to lisent and care for, after all.

I don't particularly believe Marbella shared this kind of mindset, since she was the parent that showed more care and affection towards Lloyd before he started to 'act' good. Which makes me believe that Arcos probably let all slide for her sake.