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More than one person on TikTok saying intersex people who are visibly intersex in any way should only be allowed to date asexual people.
This is intersexism and amisia.
I'm. What? Dictating who autonomous people should be "allowed" to date because of their intersexuality? I'm.
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Viv comments on Alalstor's orientation [thoroughly edited post. Initially named "THERE IS NO FUCKING WAY"... Yeah no wonder I trimmed this thing]
[Title text in bold: Viv comments on Alalstor's orientation (thoroughly edited post. Initially named "THERE IS NO FUCKING WAY"... Yeah no wonder I trimmed this thing])]
[ Approximate transcription:
Viv: I feel like the fact that they say—I always-I always try to be very coy, about his—I mean not about his orientation. Because like, I don't think that I wanna be coy about that with any of the characters.
But, for his uh, like, his romantic aspect. 'Cause like, I don't wanna crush dreams. But like—You know, there is a canonic, y'know, direction, for that to...
[member on the call]: Let the shippers ship!
Viv: ... To let them enjoy, I'll let them have their fun. ]
[End of transcription]
I've made quite a few changes to this post, as I've put in the title. If you check older reblogs, you'll definitely see that I had the least sensible reaction possible (going into rant right off the bat, basically). And I sincerely apologize, mainly because I got information wrong. (And also because I deployed precisely 0 critical thinking skills at that moment. My bad"^^)
You see, I mostly misinterpreted and failed to make out what the other members of the call said near the end. Which coincidentally re-contextualized Viv's entire talk, due to her response to this. (As a commenter rightfully pointed out to me)
By the end, she says how the shippers would have their fun, in the way that despite there being a canonical romantic direction for Alastor, (whether allo or aro is unspecified) these shippers would still be pleased with the content shown. Which was the complete opposite of what I initially gathered (that being the implication that Al would have a romantic subplot, and that it may be in favor of some of the most popular ships.)
Now that I've cleared that up—and that I can write and think MUCH more calmly... I must say that this whole talk is still so sketchy to me.
Yes I am an aroace Alastor truther, and in retrospect, this could be great news! But like... I greatly dislike how everything's worded. Alalstor's romantic orientation is DELIBERATELY left out of the "orientation" part itself! For what's supposedly an aromantic asexual character, this makes me nervous! It makes me fear for the worst! I hate that the aromanticism is left out of the "undeniably obvious and important thing that I never hesitate to confirm", for Viv. I hate it. If she genuinely says that Alastor is also aromantic, then just confirm said aro label if that The One Thing you don't mess around with! And if it's just to mess around with the fans and be ambiguous just to do a fake out... Then why would you do that? That's terrible, to be honest. And counterproductive if you want your fandom to not be a pit of discourse and toxicity.
It just seems so... Lackluster. Call me skeptic, or even pessimist, because it's true. But there's nothing in this whole debacle that makes me believe that Viv will end up confirming Alastor as aromantic. And even if she does.. That doesn't erase the sketchy and terrible aro erasure (arophobia, mind you) that she's shown just because she doesn't want to "crush dreams", or "ruin anyone's fun".
A ton of fans barely respect Alalstor's undeniably canon asexuality, and I've seen some that claim that they'll "leave the fandom" if a he's confirmed as aromantic.
I hate that Alastor being aromantic is equivalent to "instant fandom misery" in the queer "loud and proud" creator's eyes.
I was in a Discord server that had a lot of aces and aros talking about their experiences (it had a channel for a-spec people), but as soon as I brought up parts of my a-spec experience that weren't about my aroaceness, like my aplatonic and afamilial experiences, they were always just sort of ignored. It made me feel so unwelcome after a while that I left...
this is aspec antagonism. atertiary identities are often ignored in favor of aromantic and asexual ones. it's an unfortunate result of platonormativity and such (do we have a word for how familial relationships are pushed?).
an old friend running multiple smear campaigns full of assumptions about me to prove their asexual lifestyle is fulfilling :/
Not enough context to say anything. Not sure how the friend being asexual is relevant either.
semi hot take but I side eye a lot people who understand the asexual spectrum and aromantic spectrum but can't seem to wrap their mind around any other anatractional spectrum. You mean you can infer what aromantic means from asexual, but you can't even get the slightest hunch of aplatonic or afamilial or asensual or anaesthetic or [insert any atertiary orientation] ? In general i try to give them the benefit of the doubt but yk it's always aspec people who do that too which. are we serious. Allos I can understand, but when it's an aro/ace people on here, I can only see it as one of two things : 1) that person has made no effort at all to unpack allonormativity or the relationship hierarchy and just slapped an aro sticker above the love/sex part of their identity and called it a day. or 2) that person is actively being hostile to the rest of the aspectrum on purpose.
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romantic feelings can be confusing and hard to define
but it's truly bizarre how some aphobes try to erase aromanticism by saying bs like "romantic feelings don't cause bodily reactions we can pinpoint unlike sexual feelings"
so we just straight up lying now lol
sweaty hands, racing heart, dilated pupils, anxiety, obsessiveness, so many bodily reactions are labeled as the result of falling in love
the only reason i know this as a green stripe romance repulsed aro is bc everyone and everything is constantly talking about the experience of crushing on someone, unprompted, in great detail
Allos-cubed are like "Aroaces can still date and have sex!" as an excuse to erase the identity of aroace characters who explicitly do not want to do those things, but then the second an aroace or character *does* do those things, the allos-cubed insist it proves they cannot possibly be aroace.
And then meanwhile Not Hikaru hasn't even done any of those things but the allos-cubed are *still* insisting that their headcanons "prove" that Not Hikaru can't possibly be aroace.
not a fan of when allos use the existence of QPRs as an excuse to date aros without it being classified as actual dating :/
"if i call our relationship queerplatonic instead of romantic, i get to treat them like my romantic partner without their consent anyway" actual scum
