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Analysing clipping.'s Splendor & Misery
âBeethoven Sucks at Musicâ
A Response from a Classical Geek
So this video by the ever insightful 12tone channel came up in my YouTube recs, and I knew from the clickbait title I had to respond. To be fair to him, the argument is much more legit than the title would give off, but there are still some points that I want to comment on
âCan you name a Beethoven tune?â
He starts off saying most people can maybe hum a few melodies, but probably donât know most of Beethovenâs work. Beeâs one of my favorite composers, and I have listened through all his major works. But sure, there are many classical fans who either havenât listen to much of Ludwig, or donât even like what they have heard so they listen to others. However, the general public? Well how much of the general public can name a Van Gogh other than Starry Night? How many know the name of the painter of The Scream? If you showed a random person on the street a set of Renaissance paintings, could they tell which artist painted which? What about impressionist paintings? Or have they read anything by Flaubert or Ibsen or Woolf? Iâm not trying to gatekeep or be a snob [I couldnât name the Renaissance painters, and I havenât read any of those three], but rather to point out that âgreatnessâ in art doesnât have to equate with popularity. And Beethoven is definitely more popular than most classical âgreatsâ.
The Canon
This is a pretty big insight that more people should reflect on. Why is Beethoven programed so much? Because he sells, and he sells because of people who like his music, but also people who want to be the people who like his music because Beethoven is a mark of cultural capital. Doesnât mean they donât âreallyâ enjoy it, but that there could be an subconscious [or maybe deliberate/weaponized] desire to show others âI appreciate fine artâ. Again, not trying to gatekeep, but think of the difference between...I donât know, a random teenager who comes across Beethoven online and falls in love with the power of the scherzo from the 9th and wants to hear more, and someone like Ben Shapiro playing a Beethoven violin sonata after making a podcast about how Rap isnât real music or that todayâs music is âworseâ than the Western greats. You see what Iâm getting at? There is unfortunately a vocal minority of classical fans that want to use the music as fodder for their reactionary arguments.
Next, he does a great job covering the history of âthe canonâ and the cultural factors that created it.
We say Beethoven is good because of German-centric nationalism
Partly true. Itâs especially funny to look at what composers of the 19th and early 20th century were thinking and saying about Beethoven and the Germans. Both the French and the Russians were annoyed by the German superiority being pushed in the music world and wanted to make their own cultural standards for âgreatnessâ. And famously, both Debussy and Ravel were sick of Beethoven and were âanti-Wagnerianâ in their aesthetics, and most of the âclassicsâ of the Modern era were reacting to and against Beethoven, Brahms, and Wagner. Of course it doesnât mean that Beethovenâs music isnât great, rather that German nationalism and also ethnic pride coming from the German immigrants of 19th century America has a lot of cultural dominance. Ask a French person who the greatest composers are and theyâre likely to say Couperin before Bach, Berlioz before Beethoven.
He then points out that, while the Canon is a cultural agreement, it is kept fixed and fossilized.
Focusing on Beethoven keeps music students from focusing on what they care about
You donât have to love Beethoven. But if heâs saying that schools should only focus on what is âculturally relevantâ, then are we throwing Shakespeare out of the curriculum? I donât live in the same culture and time as him, but I still find Macbeth compelling, and Julius Caesar, and Othello...they are still great stories, and forget the idea of âhigh artâ because theyâre full of lowbrow death and murder plots, sex jokes, fart jokes, and have a lot of badass moments [the witches of Macbeth, the ghosts of Hamlet, the assassination of Caesar, the sword fights and taunts of Romeo and Juliet, etc.]. I donât live in Beethovenâs time either, but the Eroica pounds in my heart. I donât think that the old classics should be the only thing we look at, but I donât think we should only look at contemporary popular culture either. And frankly the best academic courses and professors are those who examine both with a similar eye. We always draw cultural parallels across art through time.
Who gets left out of the Canon?
This is a legit thing to look at. Lately there has been a greater shift at performing and looking into the music of otherwise âmarginalized groupsâ. Though it may be too little too late, especially when the zeitgeist of today is knowing that there are so many stories and perspectives that are ignored or shut out from a canon. How often do you see the distinction of âwomen composersâ instead of mentioning people by name? The same happens with âblack composersâ, or composers from non-European or non-âWesternâ countries. Itâs important and overall a better thing for our culture to highlight these people, but there is still the connotation of them as a footnote to the ârealâ canon that doesnât need a modifier [I mean, how often do you hear someone call Beethoven a great German composer, instead of just âgreat composerâ? Lili Boulanger is a great composer who is almost always called a great woman composerâŚ]
I also agree that there is the issue with the idea of teaching only whatâs âimportantâ for understanding a class, especially with art since it is cultural but usually it is taught like a forward thinking narrative. The major influencers are mentioned while great artists who canât serve the narrative are left out. An interesting example would be Schopenhauer and his philosophic influence on classical music for his time, even though his major ideas are from Hindu and Buddhist theology filtered through 19th century German philosophy.
The Invisible Hand of the Canon
Also a great point. Why do we assume that the music of black composers isnât âgood enoughâ? Or âwomen composersâ? Or âTurkish composersâ, âMexican composersâ, âFilipino composersâ, etc.? Where are these standards coming from? Letâs bring up two other greats, Mozart and Debussy. Who is better? Really, it falls down to opinion, because the music aesthetics of the two are so different, that you cannot make a real judgment without admitting that youâre assuming one set of standards over the other. Now, the music of Boulanger is much closer to Debussy than Mozart, so why would we judge her against Mozart to determine if she deserves to be sanctified into the Canon?
And I hate to be a gatekeeper, but I love out-snobbing the snobs, so when someone takes the conservative position of the Canonâs greatness, I wonder are they able to listen to a piece by Schoenberg and explain its relation to the German romantic tradition, regardless of if they enjoy it or not? Because I have seen ignorant defenders of Beethoven and Mozart call his work ârandom noise that a cat could playâ and I want to know if they actually engage with the music beyond listening to 30 seconds and getting a rage wedgie
Does Beethoven suck?
He admits no, it was just clickbait. But his attitude or proposed attitude toward Beethoven is much more honest. The âgreatnessâ of his work is the experience you get from listening to it. Or, you can respect his art without really caring about it or listening to it much. But yeah, the more we acknowledge the artifice of the Canon, the easier it is for us to look at more music with a more critical eye, and I think thatâs much more engagement than passively agreeing with the assumption of greatness for cultural capital. No, Mr. Shapiro, you donât look smart or impressive for talking about Mozart instead of Lamar at a cocktail party. And if you do, itâs because youâre trying to impress stick-in-your-ass dull rich people who have no taste.
The End :D
Somehow I've only just found out that, two years ago, my favourite YouTube Music Theorist made a video about some of Wendy Carlos's work.

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This video is a RIDE!
Amazing.
@maeamian - this was highly entertaining.
Here's our collaboration with Origin of Everything and 12tone on the history of God Save the Queen and My Country Tis of Thee, what makes music sound anthemic, and what happens when you translate a song. Give it a look and check out their channels, too! ^_^
âUnderstanding Rage Against The Machineâs Killing In The Nameâ by 12tone
What's the secret to a great Rage Against The Machine song? At its heart is a strong political message, of course, but it's the strong, aggressive music that really drives their point home, so let's take a look at some of the driving riffs and surprisingly complex interactions they use to build that unapologetic, explosive sound.