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āBeethoven Sucks at Musicā
A Response from a Classical Geek
So this videoĀ by the ever insightful 12tone channel came up in my YouTube recs, and I knew from the clickbait title I had to respond. To be fair to him, the argument is much more legit than the title would give off, but there are still some points that I want to comment on
āCan you name a Beethoven tune?ā
He starts off saying most people can maybe hum a few melodies, but probably donāt know most of Beethovenās work. Beeās one of my favorite composers, and I have listened through all his major works. But sure, there are many classical fans who either havenāt listen to much of Ludwig, or donāt even like what they have heard so they listen to others. However, the general public? Well how much of the general public can name a Van Gogh other than Starry Night? How many know the name of the painter of The Scream? If you showed a random person on the street a set of Renaissance paintings, could they tell which artist painted which? What about impressionist paintings? Or have they read anything by Flaubert or Ibsen or Woolf? Iām not trying to gatekeep or be a snob [I couldnāt name the Renaissance painters, and I havenāt read any of those three], but rather to point out that āgreatnessā in art doesnāt have to equate with popularity. And Beethoven is definitely more popular than most classical āgreatsā.
The Canon
This is a pretty big insight that more people should reflect on. Why is Beethoven programed so much? Because he sells, and he sells because of people who like his music, but also people who want to be the people who like his music because Beethoven is a mark of cultural capital. Doesnāt mean they donāt āreallyā enjoy it, but that there could be an subconscious [or maybe deliberate/weaponized] desire to show others āI appreciate fine artā. Again, not trying to gatekeep, but think of the difference between...I donāt know, a random teenager who comes across Beethoven online and falls in love with the power of the scherzo from the 9th and wants to hear more, and someone like Ben Shapiro playing a Beethoven violin sonata after making a podcast about how Rap isnāt real music or that todayās music is āworseā than the Western greats. You see what Iām getting at? There is unfortunately a vocal minority of classical fans that want to use the music as fodder for their reactionary arguments.
Next, he does a great job covering the history of āthe canonā and the cultural factors that created it.
We say Beethoven is good because of German-centric nationalism
Partly true. Itās especially funny to look at what composers of the 19th and early 20th century were thinking and saying about Beethoven and the Germans. Both the French and the Russians were annoyed by the German superiority being pushed in the music world and wanted to make their own cultural standards for āgreatnessā. And famously, both Debussy and Ravel were sick of Beethoven and were āanti-Wagnerianā in their aesthetics, and most of the āclassicsā of the Modern era were reacting to and against Beethoven, Brahms, and Wagner. Of course it doesnāt mean that Beethovenās music isnāt great, rather that German nationalism and also ethnic pride coming from the German immigrants of 19th century America has a lot of cultural dominance. Ask a French person who the greatest composers are and theyāre likely to say Couperin before Bach, Berlioz before Beethoven.
He then points out that, while the Canon is a cultural agreement, it is kept fixed and fossilized.
Focusing on Beethoven keeps music students from focusing on what they care about
You donāt have to love Beethoven. But if heās saying that schools should only focus on what is āculturally relevantā, then are we throwing Shakespeare out of the curriculum? I donāt live in the same culture and time as him, but I still find Macbeth compelling, and Julius Caesar, and Othello...they are still great stories, and forget the idea of āhigh artā because theyāre full of lowbrow death and murder plots, sex jokes, fart jokes, and have a lot of badass moments [the witches of Macbeth, the ghosts of Hamlet, the assassination of Caesar, the sword fights and taunts of Romeo and Juliet, etc.]. I donāt live in Beethovenās time either, but the Eroica pounds in my heart. I donāt think that the old classics should be the only thing we look at, but I donāt think we should only look at contemporary popular culture either. And frankly the best academic courses and professors are those who examine both with a similar eye. We always draw cultural parallels across art through time.
Who gets left out of the Canon?
This is a legit thing to look at. Lately there has been a greater shift at performing and looking into the music of otherwise āmarginalized groupsā. Though it may be too little too late, especially when the zeitgeist of today is knowing that there are so many stories and perspectives that are ignored or shut out from a canon. How often do you see the distinction of āwomen composersā instead of mentioning people by name? The same happens with āblack composersā, or composers from non-European or non-āWesternā countries. Itās important and overall a better thing for our culture to highlight these people, but there is still the connotation of them as a footnote to the ārealā canon that doesnāt need a modifier [I mean, how often do you hear someone call Beethoven a great German composer, instead of just āgreat composerā? Lili Boulanger is a great composer who is almost always called a great woman composerā¦]
I also agree that there is the issue with the idea of teaching only whatās āimportantā for understanding a class, especially with art since it is cultural but usually it is taught like a forward thinking narrative. The major influencers are mentioned while great artists who canāt serve the narrative are left out. An interesting example would be Schopenhauer and his philosophic influence on classical music for his time, even though his major ideas are from Hindu and Buddhist theology filtered through 19th century German philosophy.
The Invisible Hand of the Canon
Also a great point. Why do we assume that the music of black composers isnāt āgood enoughā? Or āwomen composersā? Or āTurkish composersā, āMexican composersā, āFilipino composersā, etc.? Where are these standards coming from? Letās bring up two other greats, Mozart and Debussy. Who is better? Really, it falls down to opinion, because the music aesthetics of the two are so different, that you cannot make a real judgment without admitting that youāre assuming one set of standards over the other. Now, the music of Boulanger is much closer to Debussy than Mozart, so why would we judge her against Mozart to determine if she deserves to be sanctified into the Canon?
And I hate to be a gatekeeper, but I love out-snobbing the snobs, so when someone takes the conservative position of the Canonās greatness, I wonder are they able to listen to a piece by Schoenberg and explain its relation to the German romantic tradition, regardless of if they enjoy it or not? Because I have seen ignorant defenders of Beethoven and Mozart call his work ārandom noise that a cat could playā and I want to know if they actually engage with the music beyond listening to 30 seconds and getting a rage wedgie
Does Beethoven suck?
He admits no, it was just clickbait. But his attitude or proposed attitude toward Beethoven is much more honest. The āgreatnessā of his work is the experience you get from listening to it. Or, you can respect his art without really caring about it or listening to it much. But yeah, the more we acknowledge the artifice of the Canon, the easier it is for us to look at more music with a more critical eye, and I think thatās much more engagement than passively agreeing with the assumption of greatness for cultural capital. No, Mr. Shapiro, you donāt look smart or impressive for talking about Mozart instead of Lamar at a cocktail party. And if you do, itās because youāre trying to impress stick-in-your-ass dull rich people who have no taste.
The End :D
Somehow I've only just found out that, two years ago, my favourite YouTube Music Theorist made a video about some of Wendy Carlos's work.

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This video is a RIDE!
Amazing.
@maeamian - this was highly entertaining.
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