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and no, this isn’t me saying “write that messed up, disgusting thing” because while, yes, write it if it’s what you want (I myself enjoy writing dark fics, something I believe would be considered “vile” to a lot of people), this is me saying in a world of censorship and capitalism, ao3 really is a treasure.

Here's one; there's 3,428 billionaires worldwide. Why are they not donating to money to people who actually need it? Why do you go for a website who's, all in all, not for profit and get donations once a year to keep the site running instead of the 3 thousand billionaires that are hoarding their wealth like dragons?

Ultimately, the developer of AO3 does not care for your opinion in the end and doesn't actually stop antis from using the website, you don't even need to make an account to read the fanfiction on there.

Fictional minors are fictional, with no thoughts or feelings of their own. The fictional content is not the issue with people having written porn about them. That is the fault of the people behind it.

And you may not have a committee but a majority of you think the exact same thing.

That is not the fault of the fiction, and cannot be blamed on the fictional content, you blame that on the person BEHIND the words, otherwise nothing gets done. I don't believe this is a hard concept to understand.

and no, this isn’t me saying “write that messed up, disgusting thing” because while, yes, write it if it’s what you want (I myself enjoy writing dark fics, something I believe would be considered “vile” to a lot of people), this is me saying in a world of censorship and capitalism, ao3 really is a treasure.

Here's one; there's 3,428 billionaires worldwide. Why are they not donating to money to people who actually need it? Why do you go for a website who's, all in all, not for profit and get donations once a year to keep the site running instead of the 3 thousand billionaires that are hoarding their wealth like dragons?

Ultimately, the developer of AO3 does not care for your opinion in the end and doesn't actually stop antis from using the website, you don't even need to make an account to read the fanfiction on there.

Fictional minors are fictional, with no thoughts or feelings of their own. The fictional content is not the issue with people having written porn about them. That is the fault of the people behind it.

And you may not have a committee but a majority of you think the exact same thing.

and no, this isn’t me saying “write that messed up, disgusting thing” because while, yes, write it if it’s what you want (I myself enjoy writing dark fics, something I believe would be considered “vile” to a lot of people), this is me saying in a world of censorship and capitalism, ao3 really is a treasure.

Here's one; there's 3,428 billionaires worldwide. Why are they not donating to money to people who actually need it? Why do you go for a website who's, all in all, not for profit and get donations once a year to keep the site running instead of the 3 thousand billionaires that are hoarding their wealth like dragons?

Ultimately, the developer of AO3 does not care for your opinion in the end and doesn't actually stop antis from using the website, you don't even need to make an account to read the fanfiction on there.

and no, this isn’t me saying “write that messed up, disgusting thing” because while, yes, write it if it’s what you want (I myself enjoy writing dark fics, something I believe would be considered “vile” to a lot of people), this is me saying in a world of censorship and capitalism, ao3 really is a treasure.

Here's one; there's 3,428 billionaires worldwide. Why are they not donating to money to people who actually need it? Why do you go for a website who's, all in all, not for profit and get donations once a year to keep the site running instead of the 3 thousand billionaires that are hoarding their wealth like dragons?

It is actually good to at times engage with stuff that makes you uncomfortable, especially in a safe fictional context, and if the stuff has no good reason to make you uncomfortable.

Fictional characters are objects.

Stop telling people to encourage the cop inside their head.

How you treat fictional characters, given they are entirely objects of fiction, does NOT necessarily speak to your own character, and you do not need to be "careful".

It is not dangerous to imagine dark things happening to fictional characters. It does not mean you are secretly a bad person. It does not mean you unconsciously want to hurt people in real life. It is not a "slippery slope" to doing bad things to people in real life. You cannot damage your brain or turn yourself into a bad person by consuming "dark" fanfic.

I understand proshippers who block anyone publicly declared an anti without a second thought, and I understand those who spend their days criticing them and their outdates, harmful ways of thinking. I really do, but. Guys? Can you think about it with me for a second?

I know a lot of antis (definitely not all of them) are downright disrespectful, mean-spirited and seemingly violent just because, but let's dig deeper than that. Every anti is either:

An isolated, often chronically online, invididual who is paranoid and currently suffering from moral panic. They're not having a good time, whether they're aware of it or not.

Scared to be obstracided from a fandom that means the world to them, so they say they're antis just to fit in, because they want to be accepted, even if it means being untrue to themselves. Unbeknown to them, being an anti does the exact opposite of that.

In the last case, those people who truly don't believe in the anti cult, will eventually realize how miserable they are (because, believe me, they ARE miserable). However long it takes, they're already proship, and will come out of the closet given time.

It's not an easy process. I would know because I was one of them! I used to be a closeted proshipper, masquerating as an anti to "fit in". And way before I had a public tumblr account, when I was roughly 14 or 15, I suffered an intense moral panic because I got told by weirdos on the internet that if I liked lolis, I liked real children and it WAS considered CSA.

I bullied my friends out ot liking loli stuff. More like, I made them umcomfortable, so they just hid it from me. I was addicted to lolisho porn at the time, and you know what I did? I kept consuming it. Because it made my pp hard. And it distressed me so much! I cried so many times over it! I felt like the worst trash in the world, but I couldn't help it. I hid it from everybody, too. I never truly quit it, I just felt guilty and miserable about it FOR YEARS.

Now, in my early 20s, I find that, no, liking lolisho porn did not, in fact, made me attracted to minors in any capacity. I educated myself on the topic throughly, and successfully grew out of that mentality.

My guilt came back full force when I made myself a tumblr about 4 years ago, though. I grew up on the old internet, the "we don't give a fuck about what people jack off to" internet, so seeing the discourse around proship and antis made me very confused as scared. Seeing so many death threats throw around at proshippers, I pretended to be an anti, so they would spare my poor soul.

I made exactly 0 meaningful connections in all those 4 years. Not a single friend. Not ever invited to any discord servers. I was a just a pathetic lurker; too weird for the antis, too scared to reach out to proshippers. Nobody wanted me fr. Those were 4 years of my life down the drain yall. I was so frustrated...

It broke me so bad I said, fuck it. Out of nowhere, I made a new blog, gave myself a proper username, and declared to the void that I was actually here to stay. I'm a proshipper. I'm proud of being a proshipper. My life changed for the better ever since. I have proper friends now, I'm in the grand total of three discord servers! Waos! But that's not the point.

See how long and turbulent the journey to happiness was? See how long it took? All the misery that came with it? Antis are going through it, yall. It's not easy being wrong, but it's even less easy to admit you're wrong, and change accordingly.

People on the internet do not owe you anything. Especially, if you, at some point, harassed these people. The beauty of the internet is that you can curate your own space, and you should. Blocking people who make you uncomfortable is a right you have, and you don't have to make connections with people you do not want to.

You have no reason to be telling people not to block those who make them uncomfortable, especially if they have been harassed by these people, and proshippers/pro fiction people are not there to be a buffer for them. You do not have to block antis, but plenty of others do. I personally will not block antis who wish to have a proper conversation, but a lot of their arguments are built on bad faith.

i understand that if they censor one thing they'll find the excuse to censor all the works and that's why i'm personally against censorship, but like a 90% of people that talk in favor of it don't do so from a place of evil and. like. being actual fascists, but one of ignorance of this and a lowkey understandable frustration. you cannot deny that these sort of fanfics are popular and quite common and it's normal that people won't like them

(we can have a whole other discussion about the argument of how you're evil for speaking against these sort of fics because they're writing by coping victims, when a lot of these complains also come from victims themselves. not my lane, not a victim, not getting in the mud)

it is a thing that has more to do with whoever writes said works and not the platform itself, which is why i find it ridiculous to make such huge discussions when at the end of the day ao3 won't do anything. ofc don't like don't read, i don't like those sort of fics which is why i stay far away from fics with those topics, but there are certain fandoms where they are severely common and ofc people aren't gonna like it. it doesn't make them evil, and i don't mean to say it makes anti-censorship people evil either. which algo takes me to another thing i think about this mess

During the pandemic, a lot of 'normal' people started getting into fandom, and instead of adapting the terms and etiquette that was already there and respecting authors and artists, they made it about their own comfort, and not about anyone else.

During this time, a lot of these new antishippers started sending threats to people making the content deemed immoral or illegal, these threats included death threats, actual doxxing, and other such behaviors over fictional characters.

They started citing the fact that it was illegal, which falls apart in a majority of countries, considering in the United States, seventeen states have not taken any action against illegalising the practice of first cousin marriage, and in several countries, it is illegal to participate in homosexuality.

a lot of what i said doesn't really apply to the sort of people you describe. i'm not really aware of how many antishipers are just there for a normal debate, and how many are actually willing to ruin these fandom spaces and harm the people in there (by the extent of what you mention, including even the "morally correct" works) for them to fit what they find comfortable. i never meant to defend any of those wronged behaviors and i really hope what i wrote wasn't understood that way.

i understand that if they censor one thing they'll find the excuse to censor all the works and that's why i'm personally against censorship, but like a 90% of people that talk in favor of it don't do so from a place of evil and. like. being actual fascists, but one of ignorance of this and a lowkey understandable frustration. you cannot deny that these sort of fanfics are popular and quite common and it's normal that people won't like them

(we can have a whole other discussion about the argument of how you're evil for speaking against these sort of fics because they're writing by coping victims, when a lot of these complains also come from victims themselves. not my lane, not a victim, not getting in the mud)

it is a thing that has more to do with whoever writes said works and not the platform itself, which is why i find it ridiculous to make such huge discussions when at the end of the day ao3 won't do anything. ofc don't like don't read, i don't like those sort of fics which is why i stay far away from fics with those topics, but there are certain fandoms where they are severely common and ofc people aren't gonna like it. it doesn't make them evil, and i don't mean to say it makes anti-censorship people evil either. which algo takes me to another thing i think about this mess

During the pandemic, a lot of 'normal' people started getting into fandom, and instead of adapting the terms and etiquette that was already there and respecting authors and artists, they made it about their own comfort, and not about anyone else.

During this time, a lot of these new antishippers started sending threats to people making the content deemed immoral or illegal, these threats included death threats, actual doxxing, and other such behaviors over fictional characters.

They started citing the fact that it was illegal, which falls apart in a majority of countries, considering in the United States, seventeen states have not taken any action against illegalising the practice of first cousin marriage, and in several countries, it is illegal to participate in homosexuality.

Not once has "don't like, don't read" EVERRR been used in regards to CSAM. It has always been used for fictional media that doesn't break the law or hurt people in any way, and making it sound like this is a real thing that proshippers have been saying is extremely false, disgusting, and harmful to our community.

I also feel if any American Antishipper cared about actual CSAM they'd be looking for the signs on tiktoks. Videos that look innocent, of babies, but the favorites are way higher than the likes or comments, and what comments there are, are by older men.